Originally Posted by Swoop

Jim does not claim that a small survey of 301 out of roughly 1,000,000 doctors in the US said they had been vaccinated at a 97% rate.
He as repeatedly posted that 97% of ALL doctors in the US are vaccinated.
If I surveyed 30 Villagers and asked them if they drove over 20 mph in their golf cart, and 29 responded that they didn’t. Would you then accept the notion that 97% of ALL Villagers do not drive over 20 mph?

I agree with you.
And suppose Moderna tested their vaccine on only 301 adults and posted a 96% efficacy. People are gullible to believe any info given them unless it’s disproved which is the exact opposite of the scientific method. Of course if the poll results don’t fit their narrative they reject them.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Jim does not claim that a small survey of 301 out of roughly 1,000,000 doctors in the US said they had been vaccinated at a 97% rate.
He as repeatedly posted that 97% of ALL doctors in the US are vaccinated.
If I surveyed 30 Villagers and asked them if they drove over 20 mph in their golf cart, and 29 responded that they didn’t. Would you then accept the notion that 97% of ALL Villagers do not drive over 20 mph?

Originally Posted by John41

And suppose Moderna tested their vaccine on only 301 adults and posted a 96% efficacy. People are gullible to believe any info given them unless it’s disproved which is the exact opposite of the scientific method. Of course if the poll results don’t fit their narrative they reject them.

I think we would need a statistician to determine if the sample size is valid.

However, this was a survey---which means it was mailed to a large # of physicians of which I'm sure only a small percentage responded. Then, like all polls, you have to consider how the question was worded. Imagine the differences in response to the same question asked the 2 following ways:

1) Have you concurred with the overwhelming majority of your colleagues and protected your staff and patients by receiving a proven safe and effective vaccine or are you one of the ignorant quacks with a degree that refused vaccination?

2) Have you ignored the possibility of serious short and long term side effects of a new vaccine for a disease that is highly unlikely to kill you and risked getting vaccinated anyway?

The devil is in the details.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe. I'm not convinced

Please do not mistake toleration for stupidity.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by blueash

Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
97% of US medical Doctors ARE vaccinated. That is a statement that they are making that I will TRUST.



[edited]. jimjamuser has posted something with an easily Googled claim. So I used the Google and found:

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19 | American Medical Association

This is a survey report from early June being done by the AMA of practicing doctors in the USA using the WebMD physician panel. It was not a random survey, it was not Gallup quality. But it is the best data available. You might argue that those physicians who participate in a WebMD panel are better at keeping up to date on new information, or not.

The result of their survey which was 1/2 primary care and 1/2 specialists was that per the press release

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19


So I think, unless you have newer better information with a link, jim's statement looks pretty good. I will allow that over 96% does not mean 97%. It could be 96.1% But being that it was done in early June, the number can only have gone up since then.

In the interest in civility, it would be nice to see someone, just once, come online and apologize for calling someone a [edited].

An interesting point:
Only about 20-30% of U.S. doctors are paying members of the AMA. SO, I am curious if they are speaking for ALL doctors in regards to having been vaccinated or just members?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by newgirl

Thank you for stating facts. What is also not being mentioned is that the vaccinated people who catch it are not getting deathly ill, and those that are have serious underlining issues that can not be part of the conversation because of hippa. If a 90 yr old who is vaccinated gets covid and dies of a heart attack, dibeties or other, the death still goes into the covid death numbers not because they died of covid, but had covid when they died.
Wearing a mask costs nothing and makes everyone around you feel safer. Why would anyone not be willing to do such a simple act if you can calm fears of those you interact with. And if you do not choose to get vaccinated and wear a mask, then please pay the full cost of your healthcare because all the people you refuse to wear a mask for, should not have to pay the rising cost of healthcare and insurance because of your selfishness.

Since wearing a mask (unless the 95 type) is useless, I do not wear a mask. I do not care if it makes folks I do not know "feel safer." Maybe they need to face reality. And as far as "paying my full cost of healthcare" that is my business and actually I do feel that I have paid MORE than my share toward the insurance industry. Calling someone "selfish" is just a juvenile attempt to get your way. I do not agree with your opinion and I do not expect you to agree with mine. Suffice it to say, if you wish to "feel safer" then concentrate on your own welfare, not expecting someone else to look out for you.
I went shopping at Walmart the other day and there was a lady at the door handing out cheap thin paper masks for anyone wishing to "feel safer" or for those that wish to coddle others and make them "feel safer" by wearing the silly things. I stay my distance from others and expect the same courtesy from them. If not, then it is on them if they catch something. Either way, it makes no difference to me. I have my vaccinations and will ponder the idea of any benefit to the booster when offered. I am in no hurry to get the booster and have no complaint if someone wishes to jump the line in front of me. I take responsibility for myself and will not blame anyone else if I catch the dreaded covid.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Absent any other information, yes the results of the survey of 30 Villagers would stand. But I have other information, I have my personal observation. I know I have been passed by golf carts traveling more than 20mph but I also know that I've followed far more that were traveling at or below 20mph. I didn't keep score so I can't come up with an exact ratio but I also cannot deny the 97%.

With the 97% of doctors being vaccinated, again we are not without additional information. There are now two sources of information stating that their observations support the 97% number. Other than a strong desire to disbelieve, what do you have that shows the 97% number is incorrect?

"Well I just don't believe it." Is not evidence, it's an opinion.

Please share the “second source”…

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Please share the “second source”…

Reread the recent posts

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Reread the recent posts

I’ve read them. Where is the “second source”?
Next to the second shooter on the grassy knoll….

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I’ve read them. Where is the “second source”?
Next to the second shooter on the grassy knoll….

Yep

[Get real]

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Since wearing a mask (unless the 95 type) is useless, I do not wear a mask. I do not care if it makes folks I do not know "feel safer." Maybe they need to face reality. And as far as "paying my full cost of healthcare" that is my business and actually I do feel that I have paid MORE than my share toward the insurance industry. Calling someone "selfish" is just a juvenile attempt to get your way. I do not agree with your opinion and I do not expect you to agree with mine. Suffice it to say, if you wish to "feel safer" then concentrate on your own welfare, not expecting someone else to look out for you.
I went shopping at Walmart the other day and there was a lady at the door handing out cheap thin paper masks for anyone wishing to "feel safer" or for those that wish to coddle others and make them "feel safer" by wearing the silly things. I stay my distance from others and expect the same courtesy from them. If not, then it is on them if they catch something. Either way, it makes no difference to me. I have my vaccinations and will ponder the idea of any benefit to the booster when offered. I am in no hurry to get the booster and have no complaint if someone wishes to jump the line in front of me. I take responsibility for myself and will not blame anyone else if I catch the dreaded covid.

[jaj523]

Don't you mean ventilators? Incubators are for babies.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You should be more angry over those that refuse to be vaccinated---that's where the real problem lies.

You should know by now that is false......good gravy!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

You should know by now that is false......good gravy!

No, YOU should know by now that's TRUE. But it appears from that and other posts that some inane agenda is being pursued.

[graciegirl]

From the New York Times;

F.D.A. Grants Full Approval to Pfizer-BioNTech Covid Vaccine