[Velvet]

Originally Posted by drducat

Wouldn't be laughing if I were you. Do you know if you are one of the 50% whom received only saline?

I think you asked the wrong person.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by drducat

Wouldn't be laughing if I were you. Do you know if you are one of the 50% whom received only saline?

Where in the world of conspiracies did you come up with that fruitcake idea? Or are you really and truly just trolling?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

Wouldn't be laughing if I were you. Do you know if you are one of the 50% whom received only saline?

Sorry, not playing that game. I assume that post just baiting the rest of us, since no one could be that stupid.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Some deaths we can prevent, those are needless deaths. That is why it hurts so much.

So let me get this straight. The 70,000 deaths weren’t preventable - but the 430 were?!?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So let me get this straight. The 70,000 deaths weren’t preventable - but the 430 were?!?

Most Covid deaths were preventable once we knew how to protect ourselves. Children depend on adults to protect them.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Where in the world of conspiracies did you come up with that fruitcake idea? Or are you really and truly just trolling?

I think it was from this fruitcake government source the FDA.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download


"The safety of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine was evaluated in participants 12 years of age and older in
two clinical studies conducted in the United States, Europe, Turkey, South Africa, and South America.
Study BNT162-01 (Study 1) was a Phase 1/2, two-part, dose-escalation trial that enrolled 60 participants,
18 through 55 years of age. Study C4591001 (Study 2) is a Phase 1/2/3, multicenter, multinational, randomized,
saline placebo-controlled, observer-blind, dose-finding, vaccine candidate-selection (Phase 1) and efficacy
(Phase 2/3) study that has enrolled approximately 46,000 participants, 12 years of age or older. Of these,
approximately 43,448 participants (21,720 Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine; 21,728 placebo) in Phase 2/3
are 16 years of age or older (including 138 and 145 adolescents 16 and 17 years of age in the vaccine and
placebo groups, respectively) and 2,260 adolescents are 12 through 15 years of age (1,131 and 1,129 in the
vaccine and placebo groups, respectively)."

[drducat]

Originally Posted by drducat

I think it was from this fruitcake government source the FDA.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download


"The safety of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine was evaluated in participants 12 years of age and older in
two clinical studies conducted in the United States, Europe, Turkey, South Africa, and South America.
Study BNT162-01 (Study 1) was a Phase 1/2, two-part, dose-escalation trial that enrolled 60 participants,
18 through 55 years of age. Study C4591001 (Study 2) is a Phase 1/2/3, multicenter, multinational, randomized,
saline placebo-controlled, observer-blind, dose-finding, vaccine candidate-selection (Phase 1) and efficacy
(Phase 2/3) study that has enrolled approximately 46,000 participants, 12 years of age or older. Of these,
approximately 43,448 participants (21,720 Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine; 21,728 placebo) in Phase 2/3
are 16 years of age or older (including 138 and 145 adolescents 16 and 17 years of age in the vaccine and
placebo groups, respectively) and 2,260 adolescents are 12 through 15 years of age (1,131 and 1,129 in the
vaccine and placebo groups, respectively)."

Not sure how long they continued.........

[drducat]

Originally Posted by drducat

Not sure how long they continued.........

And how about a vaccine for the vaccine?

Wow....

A drug candidate for treating adverse reactions caused by pathogenic antibodies inducible by COVID-19 virus and vaccines | bioRxiv

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

I think it was from this fruitcake government source the FDA.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download


"The safety of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine was evaluated in participants 12 years of age and older in
two clinical studies conducted in the United States, Europe, Turkey, South Africa, and South America.
Study BNT162-01 (Study 1) was a Phase 1/2, two-part, dose-escalation trial that enrolled 60 participants,
18 through 55 years of age. Study C4591001 (Study 2) is a Phase 1/2/3, multicenter, multinational, randomized,
saline placebo-controlled, observer-blind, dose-finding, vaccine candidate-selection (Phase 1) and efficacy
(Phase 2/3) study that has enrolled approximately 46,000 participants, 12 years of age or older. Of these,
approximately 43,448 participants (21,720 Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine; 21,728 placebo) in Phase 2/3
are 16 years of age or older (including 138 and 145 adolescents 16 and 17 years of age in the vaccine and
placebo groups, respectively) and 2,260 adolescents are 12 through 15 years of age (1,131 and 1,129 in the
vaccine and placebo groups, respectively)."

You really can't be serious. That's the study data---of course there is a placebo control group, that's how you evaluate drugs/vaccines/treatments for approval (or EUA) PRIOR to distribution. They were NOT giving placebo when vaccinating the general public.

This emphasizes the basic problem of the internet----people reading something with no idea what it means but considering themselves an expert. Unbelievable.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You really can't be serious. That's the study data---of course there is a placebo control group, that's how you evaluate drugs/vaccines/treatments for approval (or EUA) PRIOR to distribution. They were NOT giving placebo when vaccinating the general public.

This emphasizes the basic problem of the internet----people reading something with no idea what it means but considering themselves an expert. Unbelievable.

Agree.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by drducat

Not sure how long they continued.........

The trials placebo group was offered to switch to the Vaccine group as soon as it was approved for the general public.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by drducat

And how about a vaccine for the vaccine?

Wow....

A drug candidate for treating adverse reactions caused by pathogenic antibodies inducible by COVID-19 virus and vaccines | bioRxiv

Did you actually read the article including the reference they cited for the adverse effects potentially caused by the vaccine? As far as I can tell, their treatment is for an adverse effect that their citation does not identify. As far as a "vaccine for the vaccine," they have a potential solution in search of a problem.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Did you actually read the article including the reference they cited for the adverse effects potentially caused by the vaccine? As far as I can tell, their treatment is for an adverse effect that their citation does not identify. As far as a "vaccine for the vaccine," they have a potential solution in search of a problem.

Point is...Fear Porn. These vaccines are not really going to stop anything...the desired result was not protection from the virus rather keeping one out of the hospital...worked for some and very short lived.

Need a much better solution...that is my whole point.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by drducat

Point is...Fear Porn. These vaccines are not really going to stop anything...the desired result was not protection from the virus rather keeping one out of the hospital...worked for some and very short lived.

Need a much better solution...that is my whole point.

Then you didn't read the article or any of the supporting material?

Many, in the face of hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US alone, feel that keeping one out of the hospital, and alive, is the definition of protection from the virus.

Spreading misinformation and promoting vaccine hesitancy seems to be your whole point. It doesn't matter if the substance of the articles you post supports the scary title or supports your position; throw enough spaghetti against the wall and maybe something will stick.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Great! This will eliminate the "it's not approved" and "this is all one huge drug trial" as EXCUSES for the anti-vaxxers. Any of them who had been using that excuse will now have to migrate to the "we don't know the long term effects" EXCUSE.

But even if we had conclusive proof that there were no long term effects, the next EXCUSE would be "there's a chip in the vaccine that marks me as a target for alien abduction by insectoids from the Andromeda galaxy"

Enough lame EXCUSES----get vaccinated, if only for your grandchildren!

Originally Posted by drducat

Until big pharma or the government accepts liability of negative effects of the vaccine, nothing will change. Especially when for the first time in history a vaccine has been approved in less than a year.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Aha! First migration to the "negative effects" EXCUSE

Sorry GE, but you're most likely wasting your breath & unnecessarily raising your BP. Several weeks ago, I watched a video* of an interview with (IIRC) a psychologist who explained why conspiracy theories are nearly impossible to disprove; they are basically self-healing. When confronted with a provable fact, the narrative just changes to something like 'well then, what about this (tangent/segue)' or 'we all know that (fill in the blank) has lied to us before, so I don't trust anything they say', etc, etc, etc. Once people have bought into the cult mantra, it's exceptionally difficult to 'deprogram' most of them.

* I should try to find the link to the video, but it really doesn't matter...