[drducat]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Sorry GE, but you're most likely wasting your breath & unnecessarily raising your BP. Several weeks ago, I watched a video* of an interview with (IIRC) a psychologist who explained why conspiracy theories are nearly impossible to disprove; they are basically self-healing. When confronted with a provable fact, the narrative just changes to something like 'well then, what about this (tangent/segue)' or 'we all know that (fill in the blank) has lied to us before, so I don't trust anything they say', etc, etc, etc. Once people have bought into the cult mantra, it's exceptionally difficult to 'deprogram' most of them.

* I should try to find the link to the video, but it really doesn't matter...

I have always said if one wants to take the vaccine go for it......I support individual choice in the matter and I am not vaccine hesitant.....safety first is my concern. There still is no long term study on this....so I remain.

Are you sure where the conspiracy is coming from???? Most likely not, one would suspect. The science seems split 50/50 on this so if ignoring one side is ok with you then do so....also my position has been the same all along.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

Wouldn't be laughing if I were you. Do you know if you are one of the 50% whom received only saline?

Please don't perpetuate this misinformation. That is so wrong on every level to do that.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

Point is...Fear Porn. These vaccines are not really going to stop anything...the desired result was not protection from the virus rather keeping one out of the hospital...worked for some and very short lived.

Need a much better solution...that is my whole point.

Why do you say that? From where I sit, most of the hospitalized and dying are still
un-vaccinated. Unless.......something has changed since this morning that I don't know about.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by drducat

I have always said if one wants to take the vaccine go for it......I support individual choice in the matter and I am not vaccine hesitant.....safety first is my concern. There still is no long term study on this....so I remain.

And yet you are continuously very vocal about your doubts about the vaccine. As been said uncounted times before, there simply was no time for a years-long study of a vaccine for a pandemic from a novel virus. The science is NOT new, field test WERE done & still pot-stirrers rile up their audiences, often with little more than opinions.

Originally Posted by drducat

Are you sure where the conspiracy is coming from???? Most likely not, one would suspect. The science seems split 50/50 on this so if ignoring one side is ok with you then do so....also my position has been the same all along.

50/50??? That sounds like the exact same split consensus on smoking causing cancer, global warming, JFK's assassination, the faked moon landing, flat earth...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Sorry GE, but you're most likely wasting your breath & unnecessarily raising your BP. Several weeks ago, I watched a video* of an interview with (IIRC) a psychologist who explained why conspiracy theories are nearly impossible to disprove; they are basically self-healing. When confronted with a provable fact, the narrative just changes to something like 'well then, what about this (tangent/segue)' or 'we all know that (fill in the blank) has lied to us before, so I don't trust anything they say', etc, etc, etc. Once people have bought into the cult mantra, it's exceptionally difficult to 'deprogram' most of them.

* I should try to find the link to the video, but it really doesn't matter...

I realize no one can convince a true believer of that nonsense. But there may be people on the fence that could see the light of reason.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Sorry GE, but you're most likely wasting your breath & unnecessarily raising your BP. Several weeks ago, I watched a video* of an interview with (IIRC) a psychologist who explained why conspiracy theories are nearly impossible to disprove; they are basically self-healing. When confronted with a provable fact, the narrative just changes to something like 'well then, what about this (tangent/segue)' or 'we all know that (fill in the blank) has lied to us before, so I don't trust anything they say', etc, etc, etc. Once people have bought into the cult mantra, it's exceptionally difficult to 'deprogram' most of them.

* I should try to find the link to the video, but it really doesn't matter...

Well put! Have relatives brainwashed by cult took decades to undo it.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by drducat

Are you sure where the conspiracy is coming from???? Most likely not, one would suspect. The science seems split 50/50 on this so if ignoring one side is ok with you then do so....also my position has been the same all along.

The Science/Physicians are more like 95/5...

So, what do these results from three mid size Florida hospitals tell you?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

The Science/Physicians are more like 95/5...

So, what do these results from three mid size Florida hospitals tell you?

It tells the conspiracy theorists and the anti-vaxxers absolutely nothing. And they would appreciate it if you stopped trying to confuse them with the facts!

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Why do you say that? From where I sit, most of the hospitalized and dying are still
un-vaccinated. Unless.......something has changed since this morning that I don't know about.

Ok, boosters will be 2 to 3 times a year at the rate the vaccine wanes.
Since they are working on multiple therapeutics (which the Phizer vaccine has been referred as), that would be the preferred method.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

Ok, boosters will be 2 to 3 times a year at the rate the vaccine wanes.
Since they are working on multiple therapeutics (which the Phizer vaccine has been referred as), that would be the preferred method.

And where did you glean that little (unsubstantiated) tidbit?????

[Altavia]

More real world data.

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged ≥16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged ≥16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021 | MMWR


Summary
What is already known about this topic?
Although COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective, some fully vaccinated persons will be infected with SARS-CoV-2.
What is added by this report?
During May 1–July 25, 2021, among 43,127 SARS-CoV-2 infections in residents of Los Angeles County, California,
10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431 (3.3%) were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801 (71.4%) were in unvaccinated persons. On July 25, infection and hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons were 4.9 and 29.2 times, respectively, those in fully vaccinated persons. In July, when
the Delta variant was predominant, cycle threshold values were similar for unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, and vaccinated persons.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Efforts to enhance COVID-19 vaccination coverage, in coordina- tion with other prevention strategies, are critical to preventing COVID-19–related hospitalizations and deaths.

[fishon]

I apologize for my liberalism.

Mind your own business.

My body my choice.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

Ok, boosters will be 2 to 3 times a year at the rate the vaccine wanes.
Since they are working on multiple therapeutics (which the Phizer vaccine has been referred as), that would be the preferred method.

That is not what I heard Dr. Fauci say just two days ago on MSM. He said the booster will give 30 fold protection and there is a very good chance no further boosters will be necessary. But.....who knows????

[drducat]

Vaccine Efficacy Diminished as Delta Arose, CDC Report Shows

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is not what I heard Dr. Fauci say just two days ago on MSM. He said the booster will give 30 fold protection and there is a very good chance no further boosters will be necessary. But.....who knows????

[drducat]

More conspiracy info from the FDA.

Anyone caring to read up on the BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Comirnaty (the fully approved vaccine, which is not available yet) and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine which has not been approved and is still under EUA (Emergency Use Authorization). Take a look at the fact sheets FDA has on the two.

Comirnaty and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA

The vaccine known as Phizer-BioNTech:

Will the emergency use authorization (EUA) for Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine remain in effect after the approval?

The EUA will continue to cover adolescents 12 through 15 years of age and the administration of a third dose to certain immunocompromised individuals 12 years of age and older. Additionally, for logistical reasons, the EUA will continue to cover the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID 19 Vaccine in individuals 16 years of age and older; this use is also now approved.

How is Comirnaty (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA) related to the PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?

The FDA-approved Pfizer-BioNTech product Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under EUA have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. Therefore, providers can use doses distributed under EUA to administer the vaccination series as if the doses were the licensed vaccine. For purposes of administration, doses distributed under the EUA are interchangeable with the licensed doses. The Vaccine Information Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers provides additional information about both the approved and authorized vaccine.


So the approved vaccine from BioNTech is not even available yet. This vaccine maker (BioNTech) will not have liability protection while the Phizer vaccine will still have the liability waived under EUA. Timeline is late 2023?

Seems like alot of legal avoidance going on from the liability aspect of the 2 drugs that are the same.....hmmm

Not sure what to think about this other than CYA.