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Professor 10-04-2021 06:49 AM

This is not complicated. Carry a mask in your pocket wherever you go so you can put one on when the situation warrants it. Masks are easy to transport, so you should never be without access to one in a public place, even if not wearing it at the time.

tsmall22204 10-04-2021 06:58 AM

All the covid experts are here on TOTV. One would think the world would consult these self proclaimed experts.

Lindaws 10-04-2021 07:10 AM

We know why

Byte1 10-04-2021 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 2012633)
This is not complicated. Carry a mask in your pocket wherever you go so you can put one on when the situation warrants it. Masks are easy to transport, so you should never be without access to one in a public place, even if not wearing it at the time.

Interesting that masks have never in the past been needed. Now suddenly we are receiving advice that we should ALWAYS have one available and should carry one in our pocket at all times:1rotfl: In the past, the "situation" never "warranted" it, but suddenly the media has everyone paranoid and hysterical.

You all need to try this one in the villages. Masks do come in handy...
Woman Picks up dog poop with face mask and puts mask back on. - YouTube

Aloha1 10-04-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012626)

So, is it a truck at Magnolia Ave or the store front? If both, is the truck somewhere else? Salivating food glands want to know!

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2012615)
Actually, Pfizer is not FDA approve. Correct, the natural antibody is far more effective than the vax. Lot of Fake news from our government, Fauci, FDA and CDC. Do the research, but they make it hard to find.

Yep, Fauci, the FDA, the CDC, and the government are all wrong or "lying", but YOUR "research" is the truth. Hmmmmm.....

lkagele 10-04-2021 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 2012542)
$700 not $7 for 5 days of treatment.

It also has fewer modes of action, mainly in that Merck's new offering is only a protease inhibitor similar to IVM. The difference is that IVM competitively binds to the spike protein as well and that is probably why IVM works so well as prophylaxis. There are also about 7 lesser methods that IVM uses, like the Importin alpha and beta channels but hey, at least they aren't using Merck's new offering in horses. Merckmectin also has about half the efficacy, but at least now all the pharma shills will be touting it to the skies, so a win is a win I guess.

Price was per pill.

Jacob85 10-04-2021 08:06 AM

Pfizer immunity does go down after 6 months and boosters have been approved for people over 65. I just was on a flight yesterday and it was good they are still taking this virus seriously by the mask mandates

Waltdisney4life 10-04-2021 08:16 AM

Numbers are coming way down because of the vaccination not because of the masks your paper mask or cloth mask does not stop vapors!!!

JMintzer 10-04-2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 2012650)
So, is it a truck at Magnolia Ave or the store front? If both, is the truck somewhere else? Salivating food glands want to know!

The truck is in the parking lot behind the restaurant. There is a folding stand-up sign pointing to it...

They share kitchen space with the restaurant, using their freezer/refrigerator space and they cover for each other at times...

bp243 10-04-2021 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2012316)
There was just a segment on Sunday Morning on television this morning on how Facebook is spreading misinformation
about everything, especially the virus and how people believe Facebook is the bible for all information.

If you quote Facebook for information, please know that you have missed an opportunity to think critically.

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2012198)
I blame the Snowbirds!:icon_wink:

Definitely the snowbirds, who are undoubtedly the ones who allow their dogs to urinate on other peoples lawns.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 2012693)
Pfizer immunity does go down after 6 months and boosters have been approved for people over 65. I just was on a flight yesterday and it was good they are still taking this virus seriously by the mask mandates

It would be better if they took this virus seriously by mandating vaccinations to fly, and closed the middle seat to at least have some social distancing. Wearing a mask 2 feet away from the face of an unvaccinated person who is not wearing their mask properly and coughing/sneezing around it for 5 hours is a joke.

Neils 10-04-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 2012204)
Not another post on herd immunity I hope. I read that immunity for viruses only lasts 3-9months, that's why they are considered seasonal viruses and require an annual vaccination or booster. Essentially for the "herd" to achieve immunity, 70% of the population would have to be infected every 9 months, making it impossible to achieve immunity through widespread transmission. Also, as we all should know, this particular virus is changing constantly, a lot is not known, and the scientists are learning as time goes on. As new information is gleaned, so do the recommended health practices change and adapt. At this point in time, we do know the vaccinations and masking are the only way we control the pandemic and minimize deaths. Those who think they can do their own thing and continue to be unvaccinated and expose others to the potentially deadly disease are going to to have to learn to adapt. They either follow the health rules set by their community and do what is best for society or face the consequences. They have a choice.

Correct. Those in communist led countries must follow the mandates or face the consequences.

lennythenet 10-04-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 2012471)
Some Vaccines Last a Lifetime. Here’s Why Covid-19 Shots Don’t. - WSJ

Why don’t Covid-19 vaccinations last longer?

Measles shots are good for life, chickenpox immunizations protect for 10 to 20 years, and tetanus jabs last a decade or more. But U.S. officials are weighing whether to authorize Covid-19 boosters for vaccinated adults as soon as six months after the initial inoculation.

The goal of a vaccine is to provide the protection afforded by natural infection, but without the risk of serious illness or death.

“A really good vaccine makes it so someone does not get infected even if they are exposed to the virus,” said Rustom Antia, a biology professor at Emory University who studies immune responses. “But not all vaccines are ideal.”

The three tiers of defense, he said, include full protection against infection and transmission; protection against serious illness and transmission; or protection against serious illness only.

The effectiveness depends on the magnitude of the immune response a vaccine induces, how fast the resulting antibodies decay, whether the virus or bacteria tend to mutate, and the location of the infection.

The threshold of protection is the level of immunity that’s sufficient to keep from getting sick. For every bug, it’s different, and even how it’s determined varies.

Windows of immunity for selected vaccines


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“Basically, it’s levels of antibodies or neutralizing antibodies per milliliter of blood,” said Mark Slifka, a professor at Oregon Health & Science University.

(T-cells also contribute to protection, but antibodies are easier to measure.)

A threshold 0.01 international units per milliliter was confirmed for tetanus in 1942 when a pair of German researchers intentionally exposed themselves to the toxin to test the findings of previous animal studies.

“One of them gave himself two lethal doses of tetanus in his thigh, and monitored how well it went,” Dr. Slifka said. “His co-author did three lethal doses.”

Neither got sick.

A threshold for measles was pinned down in 1985 after a college dorm was exposed to the disease shortly after a blood drive. Researchers checked antibody concentrations in the students’ blood donations and identified 0.02 international units per milliliter as the level needed to prevent infection.

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Covid Vaccine Efficacy Numbers, Explained
Covid Vaccine Efficacy Numbers, Explained
Recent studies have shown that the effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccines is decreasing, though experts say the shots still work well. WSJ explains what the numbers mean and why they don’t tell the full story. Photo illustration: Jacob Reynolds/WSJ
With these diseases, the magnitudes of response to the vaccines combined with the antibodies’ rates of decay produce durable immune responses: Measles antibodies decay slowly. Tetanus antibodies decay more quickly, but the vaccine causes the body to produce far more than it needs, offsetting the decline.

“We’re fortunate with tetanus, diphtheria, measles and vaccinia,” Dr. Slifka said. “We have identified what the threshold of protection is. You track antibody decline over time, and if you know the threshold of protection, you can calculate durability of protection. With Covid, we don’t know.”

Historically, the most effective vaccines have used replicating viruses, which essentially elicit lifelong immunity.

Measles and chickenpox vaccines use replicating viruses.

Non-replicating vaccines and protein-based vaccines (such as the one for tetanus) don’t last as long, but their effectiveness can be enhanced with the addition of an adjuvant—a substance that enhances the magnitude of the response.

Tetanus and hepatitis A vaccines use an adjuvant.

Good info, thank you.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 2012707)
Numbers are coming way down because of the vaccination not because of the masks your paper mask or cloth mask does not stop vapors!!!

But you will never convince those that STILL worship at the altar of the holy mask (or is that holey?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:) Masks still have some use, like an airplane that crams passengers in like sardines, but overall not all that useful any more (unless you wear one when driving alone in your car, in which case you are protected from all manner of evil, including alien abduction (the aliens are looking for intelligent life, so they pass on that person:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

Byte1 10-04-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012726)
But you will never convince those that STILL worship at the altar of the holy mask (or is that holey?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:) Masks still have some use, like an airplane that crams passengers in like sardines, but overall not all that useful any more (unless you wear one when driving alone in your car, in which case you are protected from all manner of evil, including alien abduction (the aliens are looking for intelligent life, so they pass on that person:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

Or picking up dog poop........:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2012512)
Here's what I think I know.
1 - Research can be as simple as finding a trusted source(s) that turns out to be correct time after time.
2 - Masks don't work.
3 - The vaccines have a limited shelf life. Boosters forever.
4 - Vaccines aren't really vaccines but rather good therapeutics. If you get sick, it shouldn't be too bad.
5 - The vaccinated are getting sick.
6 - If you get sick, immediately seek an monoclonal antibody treatment.
7 - Natural immunity is better and longer lasting than vaccine.
8 - Just a prediction here, Merck's new drug will be eerily similar to Merck's Ivermectin. $7 vs. $0.50.

That's what I think I know.

Excellent post. You hit all of the points. Thank You.

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012655)
Yep, Fauci, the FDA, the CDC, and the government are all wrong or "lying", but YOUR "research" is the truth. Hmmmmm.....

You are so right. It is much better to let the government think for you. They care. I just hate when people think for themselves. They are selfish, and probably racist too.

Gettingoutofdodge 10-04-2021 09:18 AM

100% correct!
 
N95 masks are the only masks that protect you and they are uncomfortable and hard to breathe in.
There is not enough data to give us long term results of the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.
I had the Moderna Vaccine and the side effects were no picnic. I had a Covid19 immunity test a few weeks ago. My immunity was still high. A statement under the results say something like having immunity does not mean your immune. So what is the new version of immunity?

My Dr. said do a immunity test every 3 months. If it’s high, no booster needed. I wear an n95 mask in a place it makes sense to. Mostly I go unmasked.

Do what you feel comfortable with.

JMintzer 10-04-2021 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2012660)
Price was per pill.

Still waaaay too low...

JMintzer 10-04-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 2012693)
Pfizer immunity does go down after 6 months and boosters have been approved for people over 65. I just was on a flight yesterday and it was good they are still taking this virus seriously by the mask mandates

Sorry, but sitting shoulder to shoulder with people wearing cheap, ill fitting masks is not taking anything seriously.

I'll wear a mask, but I've no delusions that it's actually doing anything...

JMintzer 10-04-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gettingoutofdodge (Post 2012738)
N95 masks are the only masks that protect you and they are uncomfortable and hard to breathe in.
There is not enough data to give us long term results of the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.
I had the Moderna Vaccine and the side effects were no picnic. I had a Covid19 immunity test a few weeks ago. My immunity was still high. A statement under the results say something like having immunity does not mean your immune. So what is the new version of immunity?

My Dr. said do a immunity test every 3 months. If it’s high, no booster needed. I wear an n95 mask in a place it makes sense to. Mostly I go unmasked.

Do what you feel comfortable with.

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cherylncliff 10-04-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2012126)
My eyes were opened today as I picked up my son at Orlando's MCO airport. We entered the airport unaware that masks are required. We were among the few that were unmasked. No one challenged us but we honestly did not know. Last time we were there in April that requirement did not exist.

We then went to Mallory country club for dinner and no one was wearing a mask.

Today I read that the Phizor Covid vaccination are quickly losing their effectiveness after 6 months Wasn't the delay in getting approval due to FDA requirements to insure that longer range effectiveness was achieved? Is this the same as Moderna and J & J?

Is the Booster shot approved by FDA? How long is it effective.

Is actual occurrence of COVID 19 providing better protection than the inoculations? If so , why does that not allow for continuance of work rather than firing for not getting inoculation?

Not a lot of clear informed instruction and communication.

The company is Pfizer. The Pfizer vaccine is still very effective at preventing hospitalization and death even at 6-9 months but the frequency of breakthrough infections does seem to be increasing more for the Pfizer vaccine than for Moderna. Note that the 2 vaccines are both mRNA based. The Pfizer vaccine contains somewhat less of the mRNA and the dosing regimen was a shorter interval between shots. This may be leading to the slight differences being seen The Pfizer vaccine has an emergency use approval for a "booster" shot. Moderna has submitted data for an EUA for a booster. The data to date suggests that infection by the virus does not provide good protection against future infection compared to getting the vaccine. Waiting to be infected carries a very high risk of severe illness and or death as well as 30% of hospitalized patients suffer long term, debilitating medical issues for weeks to months, assuming they recover. The need for future or annual boosters is still being evaluated and will depend on many factors including how many choose not to get vaccinated as well as future mutations. Note that mutations only occur if people get infected which means the higher the population of unvaccinated the more likely a future mutation will negate our current vaccines. Masking has been proven effective in minimizing your risk of catching communicable diseases.

1. Get vaccinated
2. Get a booster when available, especially if over 65 or immune compromised in some way
3. Wear a mask when inside in public or when in large group.
4. Wash your hands.

My background is 30 years in the pharmaceutical industry as a researcher including time at Upjohn, Pharmacia and Pfizer and I contnue to read the technical literature as well as reading CDC and FDA publications. I encourage you to do your own reading at sites like the CDC or FDA sites.

JMintzer 10-04-2021 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cherylncliff (Post 2012755)
The data to date suggests that infection by the virus does not provide good protection against future infection compared to getting the vaccine.

Israeli studies (pretty much the gold standard) say otherwise...

They also say that Natural Immunity PLUS the Vaccination is MUCH better than either alone...

coffeebean 10-04-2021 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2012659)
A government website source does not make it true. I believe this man over every government talking head including Fauci.

A Final Warning - Dr. Mike Yeadon | Planet Lockdown

This guy is a British pharmacologist who gained media attention for making false claims about Covid. He is a notorious anti-vaxxer.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012735)
Excellent post. You hit all of the points. Thank You.

Too bad few if not none of them were correct.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012737)
You are so right. It is much better to let the government think for you. They care. I just hate when people think for themselves. They are selfish, and probably racist too.

Res ipsa loquitur

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gettingoutofdodge (Post 2012738)
N95 masks are the only masks that protect you and they are uncomfortable and hard to breathe in.
There is not enough data to give us long term results of the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.
I had the Moderna Vaccine and the side effects were no picnic. I had a Covid19 immunity test a few weeks ago. My immunity was still high. A statement under the results say something like having immunity does not mean your immune. So what is the new version of immunity?

My Dr. said do a immunity test every 3 months. If it’s high, no booster needed. I wear an n95 mask in a place it makes sense to. Mostly I go unmasked.

Do what you feel comfortable with.

The problem is that the antibody test only measures one antibody, but there are several involved in immunity to the virus. We not even sure which ones they are yet. So yes, you can have a high "antibody" level according to the test used, but not be "immune". And no doctor should be suggesting that a high antibody level according the the test that is used is a criterion for not getting a booster.

As far as "Do what you feel comfortable with.", if everybody did that, we'd range from people hiding under their beds to those mowing down hundreds at a mall with an AK-47. How about do what they experts advise? (Except for those who have already posted on this thread that they think the experts are "lying":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cherylncliff (Post 2012755)
The company is Pfizer. The Pfizer vaccine is still very effective at preventing hospitalization and death even at 6-9 months but the frequency of breakthrough infections does seem to be increasing more for the Pfizer vaccine than for Moderna. Note that the 2 vaccines are both mRNA based. The Pfizer vaccine contains somewhat less of the mRNA and the dosing regimen was a shorter interval between shots. This may be leading to the slight differences being seen The Pfizer vaccine has an emergency use approval for a "booster" shot. Moderna has submitted data for an EUA for a booster. The data to date suggests that infection by the virus does not provide good protection against future infection compared to getting the vaccine. Waiting to be infected carries a very high risk of severe illness and or death as well as 30% of hospitalized patients suffer long term, debilitating medical issues for weeks to months, assuming they recover. The need for future or annual boosters is still being evaluated and will depend on many factors including how many choose not to get vaccinated as well as future mutations. Note that mutations only occur if people get infected which means the higher the population of unvaccinated the more likely a future mutation will negate our current vaccines. Masking has been proven effective in minimizing your risk of catching communicable diseases.

1. Get vaccinated
2. Get a booster when available, especially if over 65 or immune compromised in some way
3. Wear a mask when inside in public or when in large group.
4. Wash your hands.

My background is 30 years in the pharmaceutical industry as a researcher including time at Upjohn, Pharmacia and Pfizer and I contnue to read the technical literature as well as reading CDC and FDA publications. I encourage you to do your own reading at sites like the CDC or FDA sites.

Please post that 1,000 times for the _________(fill in the blank) who think it is better to get the disease.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012758)
Israeli studies (pretty much the gold standard) say otherwise...

They also say that Natural Immunity PLUS the Vaccination is MUCH better than either alone...

I would think that goes without saying

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2012760)
This guy is a British pharmacologist who gained media attention for making false claims about Covid. He is a notorious anti-vaxxer.

Can you tell me some of his false claims?

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012783)
Please post that 1,000 times for the _________(fill in the blank) who think it is better to get the disease.

They do so if you repeat a lie often enough those who let others think for them will believe it.

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 11:20 AM

Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Dr. Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Dr. Makary said data from Israel revealed that natural immunity appears to be 6.7x more effective than being vaccinated when it comes to fighting off COVID-19.

“One of the great failures of our medical leadership has been ignoring the half of America with natural immunity.”

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012793)
They do so if you repeat a lie often enough those who let others think for them will believe it.

All I can say is that I applaud the individual who has the intelligence, education, and resources to do his own 5,000+ patient, multi-centered, double blinded, placebo controlled study and the facilities to correlate and interpret all the data so that he can "come to his own conclusions and think for himself" I have yet to meet that individual, but based on some of the posts on this thread, there must not only be people who think that person exists, but also think that they ARE that person.

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012775)
Res ipsa loquitur

Sapere aude

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012798)
Sapere aude

I already know.

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012796)
All I can say is that I applaud the individual who has the intelligence, education, and resources to do his own 5,000+ patient, multi-centered, double blinded, placebo controlled study and the facilities to correlate and interpret all the data so that he can "come to his own conclusions and think for himself" I have yet to meet that individual, but based on some of the posts on this thread, there must not only be people who think that person exists, but also think that they ARE that person.

Or someone can look at studies performed in the UK, Israel and the US, take that data, compare the results and if they differ use his own common sense to decide which is best for him. I know you realize the "experts" have not only contradicted each other, but themselves. Some are happy to follow the governments appointed leader, others like to read as much info as they can and decide what is best for their specific circumstance. It really is not that difficult to read several different studies and viewpoints. Even someone whose standard is to follow Fauci (Blessed be Fauci) reads the study (true only one) and decide to go with it. He/she does not actually duplicate the study.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012832)
Or someone can look at studies performed in the UK, Israel and the US, take that data, compare the results and if they differ use his own common sense to decide which is best for him.

If they held at least a masters degree in mathematics, with a concentration in statistics and experience collating data from multiple scientific and medical studies, I would be inclined to give that person credibility.

Anyone relying on their own "common sense" is deluding themselves

PS: I can prescribe the appropriate medication for a person suffering from such a delusion:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PPS: I have no idea why I get dragged into debates with rank amateurs

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012837)
If they held at least a masters degree in mathematics, with a concentration in statistics and experience collating data from multiple scientific and medical studies, I would be inclined to give that person credibility.

Anyone relying on their own "common sense" is deluding themselves

PS: I can prescribe the appropriate medication for a person suffering from such a delusion:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PPS: I have no idea why I get dragged into debates with rank amateurs

Were you dragged? Seems like you charge in on your own will. I will not "hint" at my degrees, that is so common and sophomoric .


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