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kenoc7 10-04-2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2012126)
My eyes were opened today as I picked up my son at Orlando's MCO airport. We entered the airport unaware that masks are required. We were among the few that were unmasked. No one challenged us but we honestly did not know. Last time we were there in April that requirement did not exist.

We then went to Mallory country club for dinner and no one was wearing a mask.

Today I read that the Phizor Covid vaccination are quickly losing their effectiveness after 6 months Wasn't the delay in getting approval due to FDA requirements to insure that longer range effectiveness was achieved? Is this the same as Moderna and J & J?

Is the Booster shot approved by FDA? How long is it effective.

Is actual occurrence of COVID 19 providing better protection than the inoculations? If so , why does that not allow for continuance of work rather than firing for not getting inoculation?

Not a lot of clear informed instruction and communication.

If you didn't know masks are required in airports you must have been living under a rock.

Booster is available for those over 65.

Crossing the border from Canada to the USA is like being in two different worlds - masks in Canada, few masks in the USA. I know the world I prefer!

Two Bills 10-04-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012790)
Can you tell me some of his false claims?

World depopulation plot springs to mind.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012841)
Were you dragged? Seems like you charge in on your own will. I will not "hint" at my degrees, that is so common and sophomoric .

Oh please, be common and sophomoric. I'm sure most of those who posted on this thread would be interested in the qualifications needed to make some of the statements that were made. Or is it all "common sense"?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 10-04-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012783)
Please post that 1,000 times for the _________(fill in the blank) who think it is better to get the disease.

I don't think it's better to get the disease, even though I contracted Covid (from a patient), some 20 months ago... When the vaccine came out (almost a year later), after consulting with my physician, I went ahead and had the two shots (Moderna).

But I do think my natural antibodies will last longer and be more effective than the vaccine (per the Israeli studies)...

I was luck. I had an EXTREMELY mild case (only 36 hrs of a low grade (99.5°) fever, mild body aches, chills and a slight cough). I was tired for a few days afterwards.

Even with that, I would never suggest that it's better to roll the dice and get Covid, rather than get the vaccine...

Will I get a booster? I dunno'... I'll see what the literature shows when and if Moderna is approved for a booster shot...

JMintzer 10-04-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012775)
Res ipsa loquitur

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012798)
Sapere aude

In Vino Veratis

But what do I know? It's all Greek to me... :icon_wink:

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012850)
In Vino Veratis

But what do I know? It's all Greek to me... :icon_wink:

Latin:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

(I know you knew that)

JMintzer 10-04-2021 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012837)
If they held at least a masters degree in mathematics, with a concentration in statistics and experience collating data from multiple scientific and medical studies, I would be inclined to give that person credibility.

Anyone relying on their own "common sense" is deluding themselves

PS: I can prescribe the appropriate medication for a person suffering from such a delusion:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PPS: I have no idea why I get dragged into debates with rank amateurs

Please, I am a "Commisioned" Amateur! I have the stripes and the hardware to prove it! :1rotfl:

JMintzer 10-04-2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012851)
Latin:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

(I know you knew that)

But did I? :highfive:

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012848)
Oh please, be common and sophomoric. I'm sure most of those who posted on this thread would be interested in the qualifications needed to make some of the statements that were made. Or is it all "common sense"?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

My experience has shown me degrees do not automatically give one common sense. Some of the most foolish people I ever met were in my post graduate studies, while my greatest influence had only a HS diploma. You can have all of the education in the world, but without sense you can end up being a danger to yourself and others. I will leave out the basic silly memes.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012852)
Please, I am a "Commisioned" Amateur! I have the stripes and the hardware to prove it! :1rotfl:

And you're a surgeon with a doctorate. I think that trumps some of the rather ignorant posts that some have made.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012855)
My experience has shown me degrees do not automatically give one common sense. Some of the most foolish people I ever met were in my post graduate studies, while my greatest influence had only a HS diploma. You can have all of the education in the world, but without sense you can end up being a danger to yourself and others. I will leave out the basic silly memes.

So, in other words, its all "common sense" Thought so:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 10-04-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012858)
And you're a surgeon with a doctorate. I think that trumps some of the rather ignorant posts that some have made.

Hey! Leave the "Orange Guy" out of this! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Oh, I almost forgot... My original reply was "No, I am an EXCEPTIONAL Amateur!" (A nod to Hand Gruber in "Die Hard"...)

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012868)
Hey! Leave the "Orange Guy" out of this! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Oh, I almost forgot... My original reply was "No, I am an EXCEPTIONAL Amateur!" (A nod to Hand Gruber in "Die Hard"...)

I hope not. He was "Eurotrash":1rotfl:

Altavia 10-04-2021 02:17 PM

+++1

Wyseguy 10-04-2021 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012859)
So, in other words, its all "common sense" Thought so:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Reading comprehension must not be required for a "Surgeon" with a doctorate .

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012883)
Reading comprehension must not be required for a "Surgeon" with a doctorate .

I don't know, you'd have to ask that poster who is a surgeon, since I am not one. But I would imagine it is.

JMintzer 10-04-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012871)
I hope not. He was "Eurotrash":1rotfl:

Yeah, according to that cokehead Ellis... Look at what happened to him!

JMintzer 10-04-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012883)
Reading comprehension must not be required for a "Surgeon" with a doctorate .

Hey, leave me out of this!

Malsua 10-04-2021 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012899)
Yeah, according to that cokehead Ellis... Look at what happened to him!

Yeah, I read about it last week in Forbes.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 2012944)
Yeah, I read about it last week in Forbes.

Wasn't that "Asian Dawn"???????

jimjamuser 10-04-2021 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2012126)
My eyes were opened today as I picked up my son at Orlando's MCO airport. We entered the airport unaware that masks are required. We were among the few that were unmasked. No one challenged us but we honestly did not know. Last time we were there in April that requirement did not exist.

We then went to Mallory country club for dinner and no one was wearing a mask.

Today I read that the Phizor Covid vaccination are quickly losing their effectiveness after 6 months Wasn't the delay in getting approval due to FDA requirements to insure that longer range effectiveness was achieved? Is this the same as Moderna and J & J?

Is the Booster shot approved by FDA? How long is it effective.

Is actual occurrence of COVID 19 providing better protection than the inoculations? If so , why does that not allow for continuance of work rather than firing for not getting inoculation?

Not a lot of clear informed instruction and communication.

The FDA has approved the Pfizer booster shot. How long it IS effective for is yet to be determined. It COULD become an every 6-month thing (?). if that would bother some people (in the US, not Portugal with a 98% vaccine rate) - then they need to blame the anti-vaxxers (I say put them all in a separate prison)!
And NO ! Having gotten CV you should also get a vaccine. Because only a very FEW vaccinated people have virus quantity in their nose similar to that of Unvaccinated ex-covid-recovered people. Normally, the covid-recovered have more virus. And THEY are going around society willy-nilly (whatever that means) and smiling at you as they give you CV. Happy days, they say, as the give an Unvaccinated person the disease. And the UNvaccinated CV-recovered don't wear special shirts that say "stay 10 feet away from me", I have CV in my nose and I don't give a damn!
......The CV-recovered often THEMSELVES lose protection rapidly after 2 months - the idea about lifetime CV immunity is a DREAM-MYTH. I don't know who or where THAT BS started. Bottom line ......get your CV vaccinations people! Please!

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2012970)
The FDA has approved the Pfizer booster shot. How long it IS effective for is yet to be determined. It COULD become an every 6-month thing (?). if that would bother some people (in the US, not Portugal with a 98% vaccine rate) - then they need to blame the anti-vaxxers (I say put them all in a separate prison)!
And NO ! Having gotten CV you should also get a vaccine. Because only a very FEW vaccinated people have virus quantity in their nose similar to that of Unvaccinated ex-covid-recovered people. Normally, the covid-recovered have more virus. And THEY are going around society willy-nilly (whatever that means) and smiling at you as they give you CV. Happy days, they say, as the give an Unvaccinated person the disease. And the UNvaccinated CV-recovered don't wear special shirts that say "stay 10 feet away from me", I have CV in my nose and I don't give a damn!
......The CV-recovered often THEMSELVES lose protection rapidly after 2 months - the idea about lifetime CV immunity is a DREAM-MYTH. I don't know who or where THAT BS started. Bottom line ......get your CV vaccinations people! Please!

Probably your best post ever!!!!!:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

jimjamuser 10-04-2021 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sshepard03 (Post 2012219)
It is my understanding, from the CDC (albeit quietly published) that fully vaccinated people can get Covid and transmit Covid. This is contrary to what our Administration stated 2 months ago. If ANYONE says they 'know about Covid,' that is a lie. No one knows. Some say it's safe. They 'think' it's safe but they don't know it's safe. I want to see the 20 year study on > 1 million people to determine, i.e. long-term effects.
No one knows - we are all in the dark.

In general, NOT true! And as far as "fully vaccinated' people getting CV and transmitting CV......that IS TRUE....BUT only for a SMALL number of people. And the vaccinated ones that get CV have lessor symptoms and don't DIE! Not dying IS CERTAINLY advantageous to the individual and it DENIES the Virus additional opportunities to MUTATE - thus benefiting all of society and mankind! (or mancruel in the US) (NOT Portugal with 98 % vaccine rate) So, now tell me to move to Portugal - that is SSSSOOOO original.
The CV virus IS in decline right now, some experts say it will continue that way. Some say NO, CV is in a 2-month cycle up and down. Others say it will rise due to the school children being back. So, this last part IS actually NOT certain yet. But, there are many certainties NOW KNOWN and the superiority of getting vaccinated is one of them. To be informed one must stay off of Facebook and avoid Russian propaganda sites and TV channels pushing dark misinformation! And stay on normal, traditional ABC, CBS, NPR, CNN, and MSNBC.

jimjamuser 10-04-2021 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pamelah (Post 2012612)
Your attempt at humor failed. 😝

I laughed, I'm easy...... like Sunday morning.

SkBlogW 10-04-2021 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2012970)
The FDA has approved the Pfizer booster shot. How long it IS effective for is yet to be determined. It COULD become an every 6-month thing (?). if that would bother some people (in the US, not Portugal with a 98% vaccine rate) - then they need to blame the anti-vaxxers (I say put them all in a separate prison)!
And NO ! Having gotten CV you should also get a vaccine. Because only a very FEW vaccinated people have virus quantity in their nose similar to that of Unvaccinated ex-covid-recovered people. Normally, the covid-recovered have more virus. And THEY are going around society willy-nilly (whatever that means) and smiling at you as they give you CV. Happy days, they say, as the give an Unvaccinated person the disease. And the UNvaccinated CV-recovered don't wear special shirts that say "stay 10 feet away from me", I have CV in my nose and I don't give a damn!
......The CV-recovered often THEMSELVES lose protection rapidly after 2 months - the idea about lifetime CV immunity is a DREAM-MYTH. I don't know who or where THAT BS started. Bottom line ......get your CV vaccinations people! Please!

LOL

Maybe that natural immunity myth started at the NIH

"The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection."

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

Or maybe the Israeli Department of Health started it

A new Israeli study on coronavirus immunity suggests that people who were previously infected with the virus benefit from significantly stronger and longer-lasting immunity than the immunity provided by vaccination alone.

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant..

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jimjamuser 10-04-2021 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Neils (Post 2012724)
Correct. Those in communist led countries must follow the mandates or face the consequences.

But, which communist country are we supposed to hate. About 6 years ago it was Russian - now it is China. Russia MUST have turned democratic when I wasn't looking! Maybe I am supposed to hate California, but not Texas? Goodness, make up MY mind please!

jimjamuser 10-04-2021 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 2012844)
If you didn't know masks are required in airports you must have been living under a rock.

Booster is available for those over 65.

Crossing the border from Canada to the USA is like being in two different worlds - masks in Canada, few masks in the USA. I know the world I prefer!

I agree with the excellent content of this post!

JMintzer 10-04-2021 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012973)
Probably your best post ever!!!!!:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Shirley you jest!

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2013027)
Shirley you jest!

Stop calling me Shirley:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 10-04-2021 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2012991)
And stay on normal, traditional ABC, CBS, NPR, CNN, and MSNBC.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Deep breath:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 10-04-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2012995)
LOL

Maybe that natural immunity myth started at the NIH

"The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection."

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

Or maybe the Israeli Department of Health started it

A new Israeli study on coronavirus immunity suggests that people who were previously infected with the virus benefit from significantly stronger and longer-lasting immunity than the immunity provided by vaccination alone.

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant..

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Do you know the reason they stated 8 months?

It was because they ONLY HAD 8 MONTHS OF DATA!

SkBlogW 10-05-2021 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2013032)
Do you know the reason they stated 8 months?

It was because they ONLY HAD 8 MONTHS OF DATA!

Yep, Israel data showing strong protection 18 months after infection.

Malsua 10-05-2021 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2013186)
Yep, Israel data showing strong protection 18 months after infection.

So the data I'd like to see, and that which is not knowable at this time is how robust is the immune response for people who get a the monoclonal antibody treatment? Then further break that response out to the three different shots and unvaxxed.

It'd be great if there is long lasting protection after infection for anyone who gets symptomatic infection even if they get a MAT or pill version of an anti-viral. I.e. just ramp up the therapeutics and treat to get a solid sterilizing immunity in the widest possible cohort. Not saying vaccines don't have a place, just saying it's not the way out since the immune response is inferior.

jimjamuser 10-05-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012848)
Oh please, be common and sophomoric. I'm sure most of those who posted on this thread would be interested in the qualifications needed to make some of the statements that were made. Or is it all "common sense"?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Yes, by all means, let us get into a MACHO debate about whose credentials are BIGGER than the others. Que es MAS macho? Hombres! That would be a GREAT learning experience for us in terms of current CRITICAL events.

SkBlogW 10-05-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 2013270)
So the data I'd like to see, and that which is not knowable at this time is how robust is the immune response for people who get a the monoclonal antibody treatment? Then further break that response out to the three different shots and unvaxxed.

It'd be great if there is long lasting protection after infection for anyone who gets symptomatic infection even if they get a MAT or pill version of an anti-viral. I.e. just ramp up the therapeutics and treat to get a solid sterilizing immunity in the widest possible cohort. Not saying vaccines don't have a place, just saying it's not the way out since the immune response is inferior.

Yes that would be interesting. The Israeli data on protection levels for vaxed unvaxed and covid survivors is quite interesting. The only categories with 90% plus risk prevention are vaxed plus booster, covid survivor, and covid survivor with one shot.

I'd much rather get on a plane with people in those three categories than those vaxed more than 6 months ago or the unvaxed.

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jimjamuser 10-05-2021 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012855)
My experience has shown me degrees do not automatically give one common sense. Some of the most foolish people I ever met were in my post graduate studies, while my greatest influence had only a HS diploma. You can have all of the education in the world, but without sense you can end up being a danger to yourself and others. I will leave out the basic silly memes.

I agree and wasn't that guy Jesus of Nazzatith without a degree? And he was pretty popular once. And yes, I agree that the 3rd-grade children get restless before lunch and ONLY a few good memes can command their attention. The poor kids are starved for something......confidence.....need for distractions......maturity......self-image.....narcism.......father figure .......whatever......anybody?......anybody?

Always remember, "THIS train I'll stop in Took_cum_car_ree !"

jimjamuser 10-05-2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012858)
And you're a surgeon with a doctorate. I think that trumps some of the rather ignorant posts that some have made.

Now you have done it - I will forever have Hospiphobia (the fear of hospitals and surgery). One must remember words have consequences! If I need surgery, I think I might just do it myself. Must be pretty easy if we have an example - I'll bet I can find some do-it-yourself surgery videos on Youtube! If I am unsuccessful please get out that RIP stone to MEMORIALIZE me! Sing along boys.....and girlies....." you KNOW you're gonna miss me when I'm gone".
.....better to die from the self-scalpel than after a long bout in the hospital from CV - that sounds like the ultimate painful experience......right up there with spending an eternity in Hell and seeing reruns of the Trucker Ralston destroy freedom show.

jimjamuser 10-05-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012883)
Reading comprehension must not be required for a "Surgeon" with a doctorate .

I agree with the content of this post!

jimjamuser 10-05-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012894)
I don't know, you'd have to ask that poster who is a surgeon, since I am not one. But I would imagine it is.

Sounds to me like there is a Doctor's union or club for some needed emotional growth. A pretty esoteric group!!!!!!

jimjamuser 10-05-2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012902)
Hey, leave me out of this!

If ONLY? My prayers would be answered and I am an atheist.


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