All that is definitely showing that covid + a vax is gold star immunity.

What I'd like to know is how attenuating to the immune response are the therapies? One would think that if the body clears the virus early, the immune response may not be as complete.

Is there any data suggesting that people who've had the MAT that have had to go back for seconds at some point in the future? That's no something I've seen and it may be a great sign that you get a strong response. That's much preferred to that pesky risk of going into a hospital and getting pumped full of kidney failure and liver insult, a.k.a Remdesivir.

Judging by the current state of American influence, chaos, mental toughness, togetherness and teamwork, cooperation, states engaging in cooperation and just overall PATRIOTISM, we may be inviting an "Asian Dawn" similar to the movie, "Red Dawn"! WE have the GREATEST wealth disparity in US history and the GREATEST of all free Western nations.
WE destroyed the world's greatest threat to FREEDOM in WW2. AND now today we can't beat back a little, could be (?) insignificant Virus because of our stupidity at believing in the false gods of Facebook and dark media disinformation and Russian propaganda about Covid - thus causing MASS Covid Confusion! Portugal started later than the US, but they now have a 98% CV vaccination rate. And WE are toast! WE probably can NOT even keep the schools open all year. And, I know cases are decreasing but there IS this unknown 2month CV cycle to consider.

Wow, that reference to the greatest Christmas movie of all time went flying over your head at supersonic speeds.

More passive/aggressive musings...

Portugal is no where near 98%. Your repetition of false info is harmful...

As to your other musing... Huh?

Yes, and you're not invited:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Hey Doc, if you were going to pick up a loaner car at any car dealership and you saw a real schifoosa drop off the car 5 minutes before you could be the next driver, are you crazy for masking up or wearing gloves? Just wondering. All those dirty azz chromosomes all over the car.

Conversely you could wait for the car to be washed up by a reputable looking non schfoosa type person and feel comfortable to not wear a mask or gloves and still get sick?

Send the bill to Barefoot, :1rotfl: Thanks.

Never saw it. The only Xmas story that I ever watched involved Scrooge and, "God bless us all", said tiny dude. And the about, "you'll shoot your eye out" and " I got a major award"!

.....Catch a flying reference
put it in your pocket
and save it for a rainy day
......True love will come
and slap away your deference

OK, iI thought of a good one, actually 2. Billy Bob Bad boy good actor Thorton in, "Bad Santa #1 and #2.

Sorry, my bad for being xmas movie illiterate. I remember the rich guy Scrooge (he liked shifting taxes onto the poor) and a Tiny boy that said "God bless us all". And the one about, "you'll shoot your eye out" and it's beautiful, it's a MAJOR AWARD!. And the Bumpasse's dogs.

What no meme or inane photo? I'm not deserving of even that? I will put on my surgeon's mask against CV - can I join the Doctor's Club? Maybe like the "Breakfast Club"? I am NOT trying to be MEME - it just comes naturally!
I am the meme
that's on the beam
That's Jim Beam
no wonder I am always laughing
and rolling around !

Well, I'm somewhat facetiously referring to Die Hard, the 1986 action movie that changed the action genre as a Christmas movie. It _is_ a Christmas movie in that it takes place at Christmas time, it has a Christmas party as a major part of it and there's plenty of Christmas music in it. It is of course, a hotly debated topic as to it's Christmas cred.

Who can forget "Now I have a machine gun, Ho Ho Ho" complete with a dead terrorist wearing a Santa hat? Or maybe Ellis giving Holly Genero(Holly another reference) a Rolex as a present?

Even at the end, John uses Christmas ribbons to hold his gun, as if he's waiting to give a present to Hans. He does of course, a Christmas eve plummet about 30 stories. A free ride you might say, his final gift to Hans, the best terrorist of all time and an exceptional thief.

au contraire! 98% CV vaccination rate. Highest in the world. Also, Sudia Arabia is 98%. Check it out and weep.....anyone anyway. And DO "cry for me Argentina" because they are dying at a rate in line with the US....BAD
.......I stand by my posts! Like a Foreign Legion Soldier.

Probably. Surface to human transmission is just about zero, so unless the "schifoosa" spit all over the car and it was still wet, gloves would not be needed. Likewise, any droplets that he might have spewed out in the car will drop out of suspension pretty quick, so a mask is also unnecessary. But it's probably a moot point since the rental company won't sent a car out until it has been "disinfected"

Now Barefoot owes me two lobsters:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Darn and I have been brushing up on my Latin and other dead languages. And I have been practicing........while singing the song...."I've been working on my 9 iron
all the livelong day
I've been working on my nine iron
just to pass the time away
complaining about rough fairways
and mostly my scorecard lies
my golf car exhaust stinks
as does my score on the links
and we hate those liberals
we call them all RAT-FINKS

OK, you can be a provisional member:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But you'll have to wear a beanie hat with a propeller :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OK yes, I liked his 1st couple of Die Hard movies - then for me they started to become mediocre and repetitive. Many a movie series becomes its own worst enemy due to its initial success, which it can then, in the future, never surpass.
If you have Amazon Prime a sure thing is "Leave No Trace". A great mystery genre movie recently out is, "Knives Out" with Daniel Craig. And great sleeper movie that IS NOT for everybody is, "Attack the Block" a very English type of movie. Not the usual fare for most Americans, but GREAT for those that can find appreciation in it!
Billy Bob Thorton's Goliath 4th year series about cocaine-based pharmacy-sold legal pain pills is GREAT! Pretty soon there should be some CV movies coming out - and they may even focus-in on the confusion associated with it in the US. And maybe even reference the 98% CV vaccination rate of Portugal. I would love to see that one!

You are misinformed.
Portugal 84.1%
Saudi Arabia 54.9%
as of yesterday:
portugal vaccination rate - Google Search
You must be watching those Russian propaganda news shows.

Gladly, just to get my foot in the door. Beanie One so true, I love you. You're like a cat in my hat. a softball for my bat, Beanie One so true I love you!.............................who put that furball in my hat......that's NOT funny!

We are not called French Foreign Soldier
 

We are called legionnaires, member First Foreign Parachute Battalion , Vietnam/ Algeria First Foreign parachute Regiment Algeria

If two experts disagree, the problem is deciding which one to believe. It doesn't mean one is a liar, and the other is telling the truth. The citizenry should be able to listen to the arguments of experts who disagree and make up their own minds. Maybe both scientists have found a truth. The government/Big Brother should NOT be the one to decide which one is legitimate and which one isn't. There is no such thing as "the science." Scientific truth evolves as time passes. (Are masks helpful or not? Do COVID survivors need to be vaccinated? Which vaccine is better.? etc. etc.) In the meantime, we need for the scientists to continue to research and to report on what they find to the scientific community and the public. And ALL of that research needs to be available to the public.

And on what basis is the average person supposed to "make up their own mind"?

I believe there are 2 competing versions of string theory---one has 13 spatial and one temporal dimension, the other 27 spatial and 2 temporal dimensions. I could read everything ever written by the experts that "disagree" on which is correct, and not have a clue, because I don't have the background or education in quantum physics and the math that goes with it. So trying to "make up my own mind" would be useless.

Same thing with all the COVID research. Non-professionals have some familiarity with medical issues usually through an experience or two, but in no way does that make them any more qualified to "make up their own mind" than it would for string theory.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

I did check it out. And you're wrong (again)... It's 84%

potrugal vaccination rate - Google Search

So now you admit you DID see the movie...

Man, you're all over the place... No wonder all of your stats are wrong...

Me thinks that an alcoholic beverage might be at work. I don't think I have seen such a display of blindly bumping into solid objects since watching Mr. Magoo as a kid. :1rotfl:

And btw, I just checked in the Saudi Vaccination rate... No where near your claimed 98%...

As of 10/5, it's 55.2% (fully vaccinated)...

So, I'm not weeping, I'm laughing...

OK, I am now corrected. Now I don't stand by my post about standing by my post. I was just going by the layman's understanding of the French Foreign Legion, which I got from a few movies that mentioned them. My sorry!!!!!!!

With respect to "the Government/Big Brother should not get to decide which one is legitimate". WWWEEEELLLLLL, WE, here in the US of A do pledge allegiance to America every day in grade and high school. And we are required to register for a possible military call to arms. And we do vote every 4 years for President. And the Federal Government defends our stupid as*es from ALL enemies, foreign or DOMESTIC. So, YES....BIG YES the government DOES GET TO DECIDE which one is legitimate. To FEEL and THINK otherwise is subjective ANARCHY!!!!!!

Exactly, best, most logical post ever. .....and a better analogy than I could EVER dream of.....Kudos!!!!!!

Now if the question or subject were - "do you approve of twerking, yes or no" or "do you believe that the earth is ruled by God or the Devil?" Yes or no. Then, since those are ambiguous, gray areas, each person's opinion carries about the same weight. But, in our original discussion, we have thousands and thousands of worldwide medical experts whose opinion when synthesized together represent one SOLID point of view VERSUS some random cowboy's opinion somewhere - I choose the Science and the Federal Government (knowing that nothing is perfectly-perfect!

Yes, I ALWAYS rely on "string theory" and contemplate it as I play tennis. Tennis anyone? Anyone?

Help!!!!!! Stop I'm getting dizzy and I had a great lunch!

As long as you get your racket "restrung" on a regular basis:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

But , as you know, and I can think of 4 or 5 posters off the top of my head, there are those that will argue "they do their own research and make up their own minds" These are the people that will be sitting at their PC googling "cat 5 hurricane" or "nuclear detonation radius" while all their neighbors have evacuated on the advice of the "experts":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

TY. You're not so bad after all:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:, so don't move to Portugal.

Why not? I hear their vaccination rates are 98%! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

If the Secretary for Heath can identify as a female, I’ll identify as vaccinated.

My brother-in-law just got out of rehab yesterday, he has been hospitalized since late January with Covid most of the time in intensive care with Covid , he was a very healthy man who would have loved to get vaccinated if he had had the chance , I choose to follow the mainstream large group of scientists and got my shots in late January and now I’ve had booster with no side effects at 82 please get your shots