And the fact is lost on you that why do you care if someone else is vaccinated? You are safe if you have been, remember? It could be a real financial loser for businesses which adopt that policy. Many of us wouldn’t patronize them even though we had been vaccinated.

No one is imposing anything on anyone. You can choose NOT to be vaccinated. That is your choice. BUT...........just wait until you can not get on an airplane if you are not vaccinated. Your choice NOT to be vaccinated will impact how you live your life. This is what I wish for and I will not change my stance on this. Having said that, my wish may not come true but I surely wish it will.

There are many regimes in the world which would love that stance.:shocked:

94.1% safe and 95% safe with the Moderna vaccine and Pfizer vaccine. With the soon to be emergency approved J&J vaccine, only 66% safe from becoming infected. It could be a real financial BOOST for businesses who adopt that policy. Have you thought about that?

Wow, you really have some pompous words, people should not be entitled to their life back because you demand a vaccine, that really isn’t a vaccine....

Why would it boost business? If people have been vaccinated, they will be there. They won’t give a darn about who else is there and the non-vaxers never stopped.

Every time you turn on your cell phone, computor, make a purchase with a CC. you are being tracked.
What is so bad about a digital passport for covid?
Use your travel passport? You're being tracked.
Welcome to reality!

The real problem is why is it important for you to know if someone has chosen to vaccinate or not? If you got yours, why do you care? If they determine the vaccine will harm children and they can’t receive it, should we ban them from life?

I do not see what the issue is, the purpose of the vaccine is to get to herd immunity. If you get it and most of the people willing do to why should others be required when the purpose can be met by having willing people get to herd immunity. We should not be requiring others to get vaccinated if they do not wish to. We are or at least were supposed to be a free society. Remember "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

Let's wait and see what happens. As someone previously reminded us on this thread that children MUST be vaccinated before they can begin school. Those vaccines are mandated for in person learning in public schools. Do you consider that tyrannical too? Think about that.

Yes, this is what I wish for

Of course it is a vaccine. Why do you feel it is not?

Vaccine
A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A vaccine typically contains a biological preparation from disease-causing microorganism, or since the beginning of the 21st century, made synthetically that resembles it. Wikipedia

This is a good idea. Another possibility might be an endorsement on a hard-to-forge driver’s license.

Here’s the thing, though. We are hoping that these vaccines will be once (with two shots) in a lifetime. Think about it, though. When we were kids, we needed smallpox vaccinations every five years. Some vaccinations are once forever. I think tetanus is ten years unless you get wounded. Mumps? Measles? Whooping cough? Haven’t some adults been getting whooping cough even though they were vaccinated when they were little kids?

We’ve been told that this vaccine is once forever, but I’m not sure that is known yet. What if variations such as this South African one keep turning up. Many of us get flu shots every year that cover varieties that experts think are likely to be the worst that year. Maybe in six months there will be a re-jiggered vaccine that does a great job on the South African variety. Maybe we will be getting a new COVID-19 vaccination every year to cover the new varieties. I suspect that the drug companies really hope for that. Phizer and Moderna aren’t making a huge profit off their vaccines at present, but if it becomes yearly, they will raise the price and have a big step up on their competitors.

If this becomes the case, our Apple Wallet might contain a record of our latest vaccination. Then too, it may be that in a few years, everyone with any sense will keep up to date on their COVID-19 vaccinations, while the anti-vaxxers will not. Just as with the flu, if people are on public transportation while sick, they will pass around their sickness to those without vaccinations, and that is just the risk people take. No more need to check. People will either get sick and develop antibodies, most with a light case, or they will not because they were vaccinated. So it goes. Testing for antibodies may become rare except when people are clearly sick and doctors need to know. Hospitals will no longer quarantine patients with COVID-19 any more than they quarantine patients with colds. Healthcare personnel will continue to wash their hands a lot, as they should in any case, and maybe wear masks around patients, but will all be vaccinated themselves as a condition of employment. If patients don’t require the current quarantine conditions, relatives can visit them. It will be much cheaper to treat them. Many people will continue to die of COVID-19, but that is their choice. Many people will self-quarantine if they think they are sick, just as people now may stay home from work or school if they have a bad cold or the flu. People with weak immune systems and pre-existing conditions may choose to avoid crowds during times when infection rates are high, just as they do now, and may choose to wear masks and gloves and be extra careful on public transportation or crowds, and we will all be comfortable with that. People who have an active case may do the same.

Just as many people die of the flu every year, especially the elderly, many will die of Covid-19, and it may be a much larger number. But I’m grateful that it seems that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will have a way to lower our risks a lot.

So your telling us, especially those of us who have worked to provide public services to everyone during this entire time without fear of going to work and have stayed healthy, that we all need to conform to your fears and if we don’t we are no longer allowed to live our lives in freedom, I don’t think so. If you live in fear it’s your own place...if your getting the so called vaccines to protect yourself, then you really don’t believe it provides protection if you say all need it to protect you...

This is the perfect scenario for certain groups to take full control of your life. They will never let it go.

I don't give a Tinkers cuss whether you or anyone have been vaccinated.
I just don't get this obsession with being tracked, when it's a daily reality anyway!

I don’t give a tinkers cuss about that either.:ohdear: You are missing the point which is forcing people to receive the vaccine or be banned from activities. That is the argument, freedom of choice.

If everyone gets the vaccine, that means they won’t get COVID. So if I don’t get the vaccine, who cares? They won’t get it.
My wife has been vaccinated, but I won’t. I don’t trust big pharma. The FDA doesn’t test the vaccine, each manufacturer sends in it’s own test data for approval......and they have been known in the past to fudge their data so they can be the first one on the market. It seems that they all came out rather quickly and all at the same time. No thanks.....

AND CONTINUE TO WEAR MASKS.NO ONE LIKES IT BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND IT DOES HELP. :coolsmiley:

That is your freedom of choice.
Live with it.

Is anyone old enough to remember smallpox? The last diagnosed case in the world was in the 1970's. Totally eradicated!! This could not have been achieved if vaccination had been optional.

About 15 years ago I had an allergic reaction to amoxicillin, it makes me cautious.

Doesn’t make sense, there are regimes though that will defend your analogy.

It may come down to economics, I'm sure we'll see businesses advertising "All staff covid vaccinated" or your up for a promotion and the other leading contender is vaccinated. All things I'm going to pick the vaccinated hygienist over the non-vaccinated.

Maybe you’d like to stand in front of the people and families of those who have died from the “vaccine” or had severe reactions sending them to the emergency room, and tell them “what difference does it make” if you want any freedom in your life from here on out you, you have to do as I wish, because I want to go cruising again...I would be first in line for that audience...

I feel everyone should have the choice to get the shot or not. Not to be forced by anyone
if you’re not comfortable. They don’t know enough about how you will react to this shot
so everyone should be able to make their own decisions.

Ask yourself why is it now illegal to report deaths from the vaccine. Why is there no place on a death certificate for death related to the vaccine. Coffee bean stop being so narrow minded about this subject. The actual amount of deaths from the vaccine would shock you. And the percentage grows astronomically the older you are. Most of us have gone back to life as we knew it. Other than being FORCED to wear a mask where you work. Yes FORCED. Over and over again masks have been proven to cause more harm than good, yet here we are a year later still wearing diapers on our faces like good little sheep. Anyone wanting digital proof of a vaccine is a fool. Anyone wanting mandated vaccines is a fool. And you saying they should be required to attend concerts, sporting events, public transportation etc is pure selfishness. Not surprising but yet selfish. The amount of deaths and tragic side effects from this virtually untested vaccine is astonishing, but thanks to the selfish people out there who choose to blindly follow the herd, these deaths are acceptable. How sad.

Smallpox killed people of all ages, not predominantly older people with multiple other medical issues.
I think it’s great that the vaccine is available. It will allow those in that demographic to resume their lives. For the rest of the population for whom Covid is only at minor risk, the vaccine should continue to be optional. At this point no one knows if there will be any long term side effects from the vaccine.

I had my first shot of Moderna. There was no problem with Moderna BUT the shot itself was not properly placed and this is what happened to me: the first 24 hours I had extreme pain from my shoulder to my finger tips and that felt that way for the whole 24 hours. This was 3 weeks ago and I still have pain in the arm when I move it and occasionally there is pain from the nerve in my arm that runs down from the injection site to my hand and when that happens it is extreme pain and fans out into my hand. It feels like an electrical charge. The person injecting me did not get it in the deltoid muscle but instead hit a nerve. It happens and I have since found evidence of this from medical journals, NIH, CDC and personal accounts but unfortunately didn't know this before my shot. I am considering seeing a neurologist for this problem because it is not going away.

What difference does it make????? Are you kidding?
Get the dam shot- or just stay home.

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Where is your proof? Where is your proof in all of these BS numbers you keep spewing about a vaccine that hasn’t been tested and has no history to base anything on ? Stick to drinking coffee and stop posting false undocumented BS on here. Sheesh.

The efficacy of the vaccines affords an individual 94.1% efficacy from the Moderna vaccine and 95% efficacy from the Pfizer vaccine. That means that an individual will have 94.1% protection of not becoming infected with Covid when taking the Moderna vaccine and 95% protection of not becoming infected when taking the Pfizer vaccine. Both vaccines offer 100% protection of not having severe disease therefore not requiring hospitalization.

That is extremely good for these vaccines to offer that kind of protection.[/QUOTE]

I agree. There is still way too much they don’t know.

There’s an awful lot of things I never thought could happen

I got the shot. I’m not out there “dictating” how everyone else should live but then I am an American that still respects personal choice.:blahblahblah:

If all these 'shocking numbers' of deaths are not being reported, how did you get the information?

Wow!! You are the narrow-minded. No one is saying you have to get a vaccine. But if you are going to any public event, or even private event, you better have had the shot...otherwise..dont come....now, is that so difficult to get thru your head?

Mandating vaccines is un-American. My body my choice

"Paper proof is so easily forged and is basically worthless."

Except I am going to have to be able to use my paper proof to get my digital proof.

It may have already been close. And if it comes back, then no one will worry about a little detail like proper CV vaccine identification to get on a cruise ship. Be careful if you worry about the trees and do not worry about the forrest.

No thanks. In THIS FREE COUNTRY we do not believe in gov. tyranny. Worry about yourself, not everyone else.

On the other hand, if you are scared of someone else that may or may not be vaccinated, then YOU stay home.