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Old 04-06-2014, 09:36 PM
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Finally good weather up north...after dinner took fido and the wife out for a walk...about a block away from the house and I see a gun about a foot off the curb. I think to myself a toy? I pick it up and the weight says otherwise. I recognize it as an automatic and note the hole on the business end is big. Did I say big! This isn't any BB gun ! It says 9MM on it. My sons friends family is 2 doors down i ask her to call the police.. her husband comes home (he knows more then i do) pops the clip out and i see bullets and he says there was one in the chamber.... there was talk of a young fellow dressed in cammo searching the grass...the police take the gun away...

if you say there are not too many guns .. well you are just plain wrong.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:41 PM
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Where "up north" did ths take place.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:55 PM
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I believe Pennsylvania.
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Old 04-06-2014, 10:57 PM
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Finally good weather up north...after dinner took fido and the wife out for a walk...about a block away from the house and I see a gun about a foot off the curb. I think to myself a toy? I pick it up and the weight says otherwise. I recognize it as an automatic and note the hole on the business end is big. Did I say big! This isn't any BB gun ! It says 9MM on it. My sons friends family is 2 doors down i ask her to call the police.. her husband comes home (he knows more then i do) pops the clip out and i see bullets and he says there was one in the chamber.... there was talk of a young fellow dressed in cammo searching the grass...the police take the gun away...

if you say there are not too many guns .. well you are just plain wrong.
You make an astounding projection of (il)logic to think that your anecdotal experience can reasonable be projected to justify a conclusion that there are "too many guns."

Too many for what?

Too many for whom?

Too many where?

One mishandled firearm that you have stumbled across in your entire lifetime is statistically irrelevant.

You took the proper action in turning it over to the police.

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Old 04-06-2014, 11:01 PM
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Why does the number of guns matter? It only takes one gun.....or one box cutter, to kill some people.

The assertion at the beginning is like saying there was almost a car accident out front yesterday, and thus, there are too many cars.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:33 AM
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Some things are just dumb!
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:02 AM
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You make an astounding projection of (il)logic to think that your anecdotal experience can reasonable be projected to justify a conclusion that there are "too many guns."

Too many for what?
Too many for whom?
Too many where?
One mishandled firearm that you have stumbled across in your entire lifetime is statistically irrelevant.

Why there are too many guns...
I work in the what was just rated the most violent small city. I see, read about and have experienced what guns can do every day. I road that LIRR train that Collin Ferguson shot and killed all those people almost every night home. That night I missed it, caught the train behind it but Myself and 2 other commuters jumped off our stalled train and walked to the Merillon Ave. station. I saw the senseless bloody carnage in all 20 something shot 6 killed. Months later I saw the wounded try to resume a normal life.. Walking with limps and struggling to carry on.

Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot
Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.
Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)
One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Too many guns in too many irresponsible and unbalanced hands. As scary a place as Israel can be they have gun control laws that are stricter and more intelligent then here in the states ..ours clearly are not working...

"One mishandled firearm that you have stumbled across in your entire lifetime is statistically irrelevant."
If a child picked it up and killed himself or another child would it be statistically irrelevant? You sound like Scrooge- would be ok because it would lessen the excess population?

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Why there are too many guns...
I work in the what was just rated the most violent small city. I see, read about and have experienced what guns can dow very day. I road that LIRR train that Collin Fergerson shot and killed all those people almost every night home. That night I missed it, caught the train behind it but Myself and 2 other commuters jumped off our stalled train to the Merlon ave. station. I did see the bloody carnage.

Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot
Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.
Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)
One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

Too many guns in too many irresponsible and unbalanced hands. As scary a place as Israel can be they have gun control laws that are stricter and more intelligent then here in the states ..ours clearly are not working...


Thanks for posting. That gun could have been picked up by a child.
Or, it could have been found by some "unsavory character" who would know what to do with it.
With so many on illegal drugs nowadays, druggies not in their "right minds".......who knows the damage that might have been done.

I "get" your message and the alarm you felt when finding it.

Thanks for posting. We also would have been alarmed to find it.
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Old 04-07-2014, 06:01 AM
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I wasn't going to post this, but let be fair.

Armed Man Gathers People Together in Dollar General Breakroom, but Concealed Carry Holder Saves Them

More people need to understand how important personal protection can be.
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You claim to have found a loaded gun and want all guns taken away
How many times have looked in you rear view mirror and have seen people on a cell phones or texting. Lets ban cell phones
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Where "up north" did ths take place.


Buggy, This must be it.


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Let's try a different path to rationalizing who should and should not own a gun.

How about we try to determine who should and should not be allowed to get behind the wheel of a car. After all there is more damage done daily from behind the wheel, so why is there not ever a discussion about the incapable, the mentally disturbed, the drunk, the drugged and how to prohibit them from driving.......practically and politically impossible.

Ditto for guns!
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Let's try a different path to rationalizing who should and should not own a gun.

How about we try to determine who should and should not be allowed to get behind the wheel of a car. After all there is more damage done daily from behind the wheel, so why is there not ever a discussion about the incapable, the mentally disturbed, the drunk, the drugged and how to prohibit them from driving.......practically and politically impossible.

Ditto for guns!
I can't see anything wrong with this!
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:12 AM
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I wasn't going to post this, but let be fair.

Armed Man Gathers People Together in Dollar General Breakroom, but Concealed Carry Holder Saves Them

More people need to understand how important personal protection can be.
Interesting article. Now, Google the " hero" of the incident by name and find out if he was carrying legally and what charges he is facing for a possible crime.
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:25 AM
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Interesting article. Now, Google the " hero" of the incident by name and find out if he was carrying legally and what charges he is facing for a possible crime.
There is a video on this site from the local TV Station.

Video: Gunman invades Dollar General, meets concealed carry permit holder « Hot Air
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