[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by MelZ

Please Watch this Video and learn:

Shooting Deaths and Gun Control, The Critique - YouTube!

Yea Jenk. He is spot on and we should all do what we can to get control on these guns.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by MelZ

Please Watch this Video and learn:

Shooting Deaths and Gun Control, The Critique - YouTube!

He does not seem to really address the issue of military style weapons. I have not really heard anyone pragmatically argue that we should get rid of all guns in the U.S. That would be impossible. Getting all semi-automatic weapons that would go out on the street after say June 2013 could be possible with very strict laws.

This is an interesting article on why people would want these military kind of weapons.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/us/mil...ort/index.html

There are always exceptions to any generalized statement.

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't think what I said really will change things so I deleted it. There isn't any use arguing.

I read all of the posts in this thread and this one makes the most sense to me.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by JoeC1947

I read all of the posts in this thread and this one makes the most sense to me.

Throwing up your hands in defeat is no response really except giving up.

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Yea Jenk. He is spot on and we should all do what we can to get control on these guns.

The UK had over 3500 head injuries from golf balls, we should start controlling golf clubs to save the people. Makes as much sense as you position.

Risky Business: The World of Golf Injury and Accidents

[Uptown Girl]

Originally Posted by MelZ

Please Watch this Video and learn:

Shooting Deaths and Gun Control, The Critique - YouTube!

THANKS MelZ,
I'm very glad you provided this link.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by MelZ

The UK had over 3500 head injuries from golf balls, we should start controlling golf clubs to save the people. Makes as much sense as you position.

Risky Business: The World of Golf Injury and Accidents

Nice, except that some deranged golfer does not proceed to murder 20 six year olds in some UK kindergarten with golf balls.

That has about as much logic as banning bathtubs because people slip and fall on them and some die as a result.

[jebartle]

America out guns the planet, and in murders also by a WIDE margin.....enough said!

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Throwing up your hands in defeat is no response really except giving up.

Defeat! Do you actually think there will be winners and losers?

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by jebartle

America out guns the planet, and in murders also by a WIDE margin.....enough said!

Fact check you are WRONG

Current Worldwide Homicide/Murder Rate
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[graciegirl]

Sorry. Shouldn't have posted.

Let's just think about the little ones.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by ugotme

I post this not to defend the NRA - I post this just because:


COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott

ugotme: thank you for that post. Darrell Scott hit the nail on the head. For better than 40 years we have ignored each successive generation's lack of self restraint moving futher and further into a secular hedonistic lifestyle and we wonder why kids today misbehave so badly.

Politicians know that can legislate that so they flex their muscle on gun control. those in favor of guncontrol need to ask themselves how far the goverment should go. Will we allow the government to come into our homes and confiscate our weapons? You noticed a few who attempted to marginalize what and when Darrell Scott made this presentation. Notice they didn't address whether they believed if it had any merit.

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Sorry. Shouldn't have posted.

Let's just think about the little ones.

Gracie I agree

There is no one or simple solution to the Ct. school tragedy. Why must people look for easy answer. If you don't like guns don't own one but guns alone are not the problem.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by JoeC1947

Defeat! Do you actually think there will be winners and losers?

Yes. If one or a few deranged shooters are stopped then from killing kids or anyone from there not being access to semi-automatic weapons then that is a victory.

Another practical solution would be for an intensive campaign in schools against bullying and lessons in civility and perhaps more programs that get kids away from playing violent video games and watching violent movies.

[Golfingnut]

Semi Automatic military style weapons, Large capacity magazines and venomous snakes. I find collecting any of these to be a bit creepy to me.