[shcisamax]

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[janmcn]

Claims against the NYPD cost the city $212 million in 2014 alone | MSNBC


Claims against the NYPD have cost the city of New York $212 million in 2014 alone. That money would pay some teacher's salaries. This article mentions the claims that were lodged against Officer Daniel Pantaleo. So much for protect and serve.

[golf2140]

Guess what, don't do a crime and all would be fine.

[golf2140]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Claims against the NYPD cost the city $212 million in 2014 alone | MSNBC


Claims against the NYPD have cost the city of New York $212 million in 2014 alone. That money would pay a lot of teacher's salaries. This article mentions the claims that were lodged against Officer Daniel Pantaleo.

Teachers in Pa get close to $100,000.00 for 182 days. Give me a break

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by golf2140

Teachers in Pa get close to $100,000.00 for 182 days. Give me a break

Changed my post from a lot to some...happy?

[JB in TV]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

... I just think the culture of policing has changed to be overly aggressive.

And is it just possible that the culture of the "perps" has also become more aggressive as well, requiring an equal or greater force from the police?? They ARE referred to as the Police "force".

In a way, it is similar to the death penalty. NO, I don't intend for this to become a discussion on that... However, I think that most of us would agree that the death penalty is designed as a deterrent...someone committing a crime that carries a possible death penalty might think twice ... If someone resisting arrest knows that they WILL experience aggressive force from the Police, maybe they would think twice about resisting arrest.

Let’s see, resist arrest and maybe have "force" used against me (with possible death as a result), or allow them to arrest me peacefully, and a possible acquittal at a trial? Hmmm.


Perhaps I am wrong, but I like the feeling that the Police should be "respected", and I use that word being close to "feared" by someone committing a crime.

[shcisamax]

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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

But where is the reasonable reaction? I agree that if there is an aggressive criminal, then be aggressive. Did you read in my post earlier where I was stopped for a seatbelt check on my way to school with my children and when I got out of my car because the dogs were barking, I was yelled at to get in and "put my hands where he could see them." Does that sound reasonable? Does that sound excessively aggressive under the circumstances? We cannot have police treating minor offenses as if they were bank robberies. They must be able to discern and discriminate or next we will have people going around roundabouts at 21 mph thrown on the ground in a choke hold.

Did you read where they threw my grandson up against the car because he was looking for the registration in the glove box?

They had a right to do that although he was innocent. We think it was right. How did they KNOW he was innocent? They had what they thought was the license number of a terrible person. They didn't know it was the wrong one.

He was scared. He got over it. He is an independent law abiding person who is heading in the right direction. We didn't act like the police were awful. He doesn't think the police are awful.

It is just how we look at things. We can't change ourselves at this age...much. We can only TRY to understand the other's point of view.

[shcisamax]

I understand they made a mistake with the license plate. They therefore reacted wrongly but for the right reason. But I am not talking about believing there is imminent danger and reacting accordingly.

I think we will need to agree to disagree on this Gracie.

[JB in TV]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

But where is the reasonable reaction? I agree that if there is an aggressive criminal, then be aggressive. Did you read in my post earlier where I was stopped for a seatbelt check on my way to school with my children and when I got out of my car because the dogs were barking, I was yelled at to get in and "put my hands where he could see them." ....

Yes I read it. Did you consider asking the officer if you could get out of the car to allow the dogs to calm down, or to stop their barking. Do you think the officer may have been concerned about his or her safety because of the barking, possible agressive dogs? I'm sure this was a terrifying experience for you, but perhaps that is my point. There is not much difference beteween the words respect and fear.
Like I said, I believe that we need respect the police, and that includes communicating with them. They had NO IDEA what your intentions were when you got out of the car.

[shcisamax]

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[gerryann]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

Oh my God...I am a mom with her kids in the car in line with 450 other moms dropping their kids at school in a tiny town in Ct. They were pulling everyone over and when I got out, he was pulling over the next car. Yes, I should not have gotten out of the car until I asked but that is not the point. But to actually tell me to put my hands on the steering wheel where he can see them is so ridiculous. If you cannot see that that is ridiculous, then I guess it is good you aren't a policeman.

The officer was absolutely correct in telling you to put your hands in plain view on the steering wheel.

[shcisamax]

If it is one thing I have learned, it is you don't change people's opinions in forums. I don't know why I even bothered. I should know better. Night.

[Beechie]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

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I don't think their reaction was ridiculous at all. Did all the other moms have to put their hands on their steering wheel? I'll bet only the one that chose to get out of their vehicle at a check stop. Do you think the police knew you were getting out to calm your dogs? If you knew it was wrong to get out of your vehicle, why did you?

[dillywho]

For what it's worth, I think the protests are more about publicity than true concern for anyone, of any color. Let the media stop focusing on them and see how soon it all comes to a screeching halt. Remember when people were continually jumping the fence and disrupting baseball games on pretty much a daily basis? They quit showing or evening mentioning them and it stopped.

As for putting your hands on the steering wheel, that is absolutely what anyone is supposed to do when stopped. You then WAIT for instruction from the officer(s). This lets them know that you do not plan to be a threat to them. That is one of the first things you are taught when you take the classes in order to obtain a Concealed Weapon Permit. Not only do you have to show your DL but also your Permit (if you have a weapon with you).