[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

So, basically, you are saying that I do NOT deserve to have an OPINION. You attack me RELENTLESSLY no matter what the topic or what my opinion on that topic is. It has become a GAME with you. But, I stopped playing THAT game long ago. I have NOT recently gone out of MY way to disparage what you write. I have come to the conclusion that you and everyone else here are ENTITLED to HAVE an OPINION. I have no problem with that.

No, I refute the fallacies of your "OPINIONS...

Sorry, but you make yourself such an easy target.

And I'm not the only one who finds your OPINIONS based on FALSE INFORMATION...

Post all the OPINIONS you want. But when you try to back them up with nonsense, expect to be corrected...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As everybody knows, the Keystone pipeline, as proposed, crossed over Native American lands and would have hurt and compromised their lives. Warren Buffet lives in Nebraska and, as such, may be MORE empathetic toward Native Americans than someone living on the East Coast or an OIL stockholder living in New York City.

MR. Buffet is known for his philanthropy, NOT his GREED.

His rail lines cross Native American lands and are more likely to have oil spills. They also burn oil to run, adding to climate change...

Railroading Racism: Warren Buffett vs Northwest Indians | Intercontinental Cry

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

One man's fallacy is another man's fact and most important American principle - that a STRONG middle class makes a STRONG COUNTRY. Today we have a STRONG upper-income class.......just like the ancient Romans had when Rome fell. We have outsourced our MIDDLE-CLASS to China. Now everyone can see that THEY are taking that STRONG middle class and flexing their muscle against BOTH the US and Taiwan. So, yes I do think that the legislative changes to the tax RATES put in place for the benefit of the upper class after the 1950s are DANGEROUS for the US and the world. I AM aware of it, most are not. Please allow me to have an OPINION!

The above paragraph relates the BASIS that has allowed people from Jack Welsh and the Koch brothers to Steve Jobs, Sam Bankman-Fried, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, AND OUR FAVORITE IN THIS CONVERSATION--------the wonderful ELON MUSK - to PULL from the US economy more riches than any South American DICTATOR possesses. I am NOT saying that those individuals do NOT deserve to earn/accumulate more riches than people in the middle class. It is a matter of degree. Japanese CEOs used to (and still may) be embarrassed to make more than 10 times what their average line worker makes. Musk and Zuckerberg make thousands of times more than their worker bees. That is the DEGREE and the problem of which I speak. I am NOT saying to change the American system - just to make it fairer and RESTORE the middle class which the upper class has outsourced to China and other countries.

When we talk about a "dumpster fire" that is BOTH Musk and SB-F........they are merely actors taking ADVANTAGE of their GREATER environment. The US economic environment in which most resources / money have drifted upward from the middle-class to the uber-upper class from 1950 to today. That is the REAL dumpster fire!

I'm impressed ! To me, based on the friendly and inquisitive casual conversations I've tired to have with friends, neighbors, local coffee shop customers, it seems few people seem to actually understand the gradual diminishing of the middle class, and if they do "see" it happening, they have no idea of how/why this is happening. Most assume it's "just politics", the party in office, you are one of the few I have ever talked to or read a post from, who seems to truly understand the significance of "outsourcing" and the role manufacturing played in building the strong middle class that once existed here and fueled a roaring economy. Detroit, Gary, Indiana and all the ore ships on the great lakes, the manufacturing of steel, etc. Now, we are even dependent on our greatest threat for the most basic medications ! No this is not the "fault" of this or that political party. It's the result of an ever growing disinterest in what is HAPPENING to one's country, together with a growing spiritual bankruptcy...notice I did not mention this or that specific religion, but just a growing disinterest in the economy, in spiritual values, in pride in country, a long list of things that "used" to matter ! ? People appear to have become so fixated on calling each other liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, racist, homophobic (and all KINDS of "phobics" previously unheard of), that they simply have ignored what is really happening as we excitedly handed over even our medical future in exchange for cheaper goods; cell phones, athletic shoes, furniture, steel, appliances, computers, televisions, clothing, light bulbs, tires, this could go on forever but, if it lowered the price a few cents, or a few dollars, we were 100% supportive. It is so hard to get that toothpaste BACK into the TUBE !

[tuccillo]

No, I doubt any other readers would consider your opinions as fact. I generally don’t care for opinions since they are mostly rhetoric. I do care about facts.

CV is your resume. Before criticizing someone as accomplished as Musk you should establish your own bona fides otherwise it is just noise.

Capitalizing is yelling.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

"since none of my criticisms of Mr. Musk have any validity"......IS it NOT possible that some OTHER readers just MIGHT consider my criticisms VALID ? I also think that capitalizing some words in a sentence shows which words I chose to emphasize. I suppose I could use italics instead. But, that might slow down the TYPING process.

Also, I am NOT sure what the abbreviation CV means in this case. I doubt that Corona Virus or Constant Velocity joint is what was intended?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Before criticizing someone as accomplished as Musk you should establish your own bona fides otherwise it is just noise.

LOL! how about some real background on Musk, the narcissist sociopath. . in a funny video. .

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_t...jpg&name=large

might actually shed some light on the "appearance of Musk being a genius". If you listen carefully to his language and then watch his actions, Musk is a narcissistic sociopath. . he uses words which easily causes believer's brains to make certain assumptive leaps. . certain decisions he makes is designed to weed out the non believers, as sociopaths' words and phrases are designed to search out for easily persuaded believers, or those who want to believe. . .

and your comments or criticisms won't change my opinion, having seen these types, and have self educated myself, not professionally, to be able to spot these types, after previously having been married to one.

psych guy

[tuccillo]

Accomplished people often are quirky. My comment was that he is accomplished. Hard to argue with that. Whether you care for him or not is largely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

LOL! how about some real background on Musk, the narcissist sociopath. . in a funny video. .

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_t...jpg&name=large

might actually shed some light on the "appearance of Musk being a genius". If you listen carefully to his language and then watch his actions, Musk is a narcissistic sociopath. . he uses words which easily causes believer's brains to make certain assumptive leaps. . certain decisions he makes is designed to weed out the non believers, as sociopaths' words and phrases are designed to search out for easily persuaded believers, or those who want to believe. . .

and your comments or criticisms won't change my opinion, having seen these types, and have self educated myself, not professionally, to be able to spot these types, after previously having been married to one.

psych guy

[Normal]

Why do you propel hatred towards Musk, someone you don’t even know? Then you throw things like Bitcoin as extra hay for a fire just because his company at one time had a partial investment with them.

The fact of the matter liked or not, he has moved the electric car innovations and space travels to new levels. I don’t care for Musk as a person; I’m just wondering about your emotional premises. His progressive moves towards technology improvement can’t be ignored. What are you trying to say?

[ithos]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So when the FBI conspired with Twitter employees to squelch opinions critical of or contrary to the government policies, then they were clearly violating citizens first amendment rights.

So that is why I consider him a true hero despite his numerous flaws. Of course many disagree because they believe that the ends justify the means. But if you have to resort to censorship to promote your opinion then perhaps you should reconsider your position.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by ithos

[I]
So when the FBI conspired with Twitter employees to squelch opinions critical of or contrary to the government policies, then they were clearly violating citizens first amendment rights.

So that is why consider him a true hero despite his numerous flaws. Of course many disagree because they believe that the ends justify the means. But if you have to resort to censorship to promote your opinion then perhaps you should reconsider your position.

I couldn’t agree more. The moves he made to free Twitter from the bias it tried to peddle as fact, could be considered an act of charity and a great tax write off. Kudos to the gift he gave back to our country. You wouldn’t see Bazos or Buffet giving back like that.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

LOL! how about some real background on Musk, the narcissist sociopath. . in a funny video. .

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_t...jpg&name=large

might actually shed some light on the "appearance of Musk being a genius". If you listen carefully to his language and then watch his actions, Musk is a narcissistic sociopath. . he uses words which easily causes believer's brains to make certain assumptive leaps. . certain decisions he makes is designed to weed out the non believers, as sociopaths' words and phrases are designed to search out for easily persuaded believers, or those who want to believe. . .

and your comments or criticisms won't change my opinion, having seen these types, and have self educated myself, not professionally, to be able to spot these types, after previously having been married to one.

psych guy

To be on point, we personally don’t know you or your ex so who are we to judge which one was the narcissist.

I do know how most of the hate piled on Musk is related to his pulling back the sheet and exposing things for what they were and it’s pretty devastating.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Have you ever done payroll for a company? I do. Every two weeks.

The "working poor" should not have ANY Federal Tax withholding. If they do, it's only because they want the "forced savings program" of the government taking their money for a year, paying them ZERO interest and then giving it back in April... Not a very sound financial policy...

I advise my employees to minimize their withholding, so they have access to ALL of their money. So far (and it's only been 35 years, so I may not be completely sure... ), no one has complained...

No one complains if anyone gets a refund based on taxes paid. It's those who pay ZERO into the system and then get $1000s of dollars back who cause the raised eyebrows... Right now, that is almost 50% of the population...

And it was the US Tax laws that caused so much production to be moved overseas...

When "someone" started decreasing corporate taxes, overseas production started to return and the US treasury took in MORE money... go figure...

Paragraph 4.......The only way a worker could pay ZERO to the Federal Government is to be making the old minimum wages in some states and be married and have about 5 children. I would guess that 80% of all workers are paying something INTO the Federal Government which is getting the benefit of the "time value of money". I would NOT allow that many exemptions if I were making the laws so there would NOT be "50% of the people paying ZERO and getting $1,000s back". I imagine that the Federal Government does that because it is more efficient in preventing starving people on the streets than by paying OUT more in food stamps and housing allowances. Since the US middle class has been "outsourced" to China and created and built up their middle class, now WE HAVE no real MIDDLE CLASS ........so we have to pay for OUR non-working middle class. And the uber-rich laugh all the way to the bank !

And it is my 1st and 2nd paragraph (that were ignored) that were the more IMPORTANT paragraphs. Where I gave the History from 1950-on about how US greed partnered up with China to decimate the US middle class. And I stated the FACT that subsequent generations kept being LESS well-off than their prior generations. That, I believe, was my "EVERYBODY KNOWS" statement that another poster had some (?) problem with.

It is interesting that I just read this morning an article saying that some US companies are moving their manufacturing operations BACK from China to Mexico to punish China and get cheaper shipping. They MUST have read my recent posts. I guess that after Mexico becomes less attractive to them (murders of executives and etc.) they will move back to the US South. And then to get cheaper electrical energy or smarter workers, they will move back to NorthEastern US.........which is where they started in the 1950s. Humorous isn't it????? Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.

[tuccillo]

How do you get so many easily checked facts wrong? Why would you guess when you can look it up? Amazing. Since the post you responded to referenced Federal Income Taxes, I will restrict my comment to that and not consider FICA, which everyone who gets a W-2 pays. In 2021, 57% of households had no Federal Income Tax liability in 2021. The number will be less in 2022.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Paragraph 4.......The only way a worker could pay ZERO to the Federal Government is to be making the old minimum wages in some states and be married and have about 5 children. I would guess that 80% of all workers are paying something INTO the Federal Government which is getting the benefit of the "time value of money". I would NOT allow that many exemptions if I were making the laws so there would NOT be "50% of the people paying ZERO and getting $1,000s back". I imagine that the Federal Government does that because it is more efficient in preventing starving people on the streets than by paying OUT more in food stamps and housing allowances. Since the US middle class has been "outsourced" to China and created and built up their middle class, now WE HAVE no real MIDDLE CLASS ........so we have to pay for OUR non-working middle class. And the uber-rich laugh all the way to the bank !

And it is my 1st and 2nd paragraph (that were ignored) that were the more IMPORTANT paragraphs. Where I gave the History from 1950-on about how US greed partnered up with China to decimate the US middle class. And I stated the FACT that subsequent generations kept being LESS well-off than their prior generations. That, I believe, was my "EVERYBODY KNOWS" statement that another poster had some (?) problem with.

It is interesting that I just read this morning an article saying that some US companies are moving their manufacturing operations BACK from China to Mexico to punish China and get cheaper shipping. They MUST have read my recent posts. I guess that after Mexico becomes less attractive to them (murders of executives and etc.) they will move back to the US South. And then to get cheaper electrical energy or smarter workers, they will move back to NorthEastern US.........which is where they started in the 1950s. Humorous isn't it????? Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

How do you get so many easily checked facts wrong? Why would you guess when you can look it up? Amazing. Since the post you responded to referenced Federal Income Taxes, I will restrict my comment to that and not consider FICA, which everyone who gets a W-2 pays. In 2021, 57% of households had no Federal Income Tax liability in 2021. The number will be less in 2022.

Agenda driven laziness. Or as he says it’s just his opinion so it doesn’t have to be accurate or fact driven.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

"Curriculum Vitae"

Latin for "course of life", often shortened to CV) is a short written summary of a person's career, qualifications, and education...

OK thank you. I DID NOT know that. That makes more sense than Constant Velocity joint, which is MY fav CV expression. As far as my personal CV, which some other poster was keenly interested in, if my CV was at the level of Mr. Musk's, I believe that I would NOT be living in The Villages. Rather, I think, I would go with the French Riviera in the winter and Sweden or Finland in the summer. And lots of trips to New Zealand. Oh, Yes...... the beauty of travel of the imagination.

[tuccillo]

I am not keenly interested in your CV. I was, however, trying to get you to realize that any and all of your criticisms of Elon Musk are probably born out of envy of his accomplishments. Also, criticizing something of which you have no expertise is pointless. For example, if I was to criticize how Tom Brady spins the football.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK thank you. I DID NOT know that. That makes more sense than Constant Velocity joint, which is MY fav CV expression. As far as my personal CV, which some other poster was keenly interested in, if my CV was at the level of Mr. Musk's, I believe that I would NOT be living in The Villages. Rather, I think, I would go with the French Riviera in the winter and Sweden or Finland in the summer. And lots of trips to New Zealand. Oh, Yes...... the beauty of travel of the imagination.