[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Thus, here's a simple question for you ... why has "Washington" not yet suspended travel into the US from those countries in West Africa where Ebola has broken out?

Since you state it is a simple question, what do you believe is the answer?

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Since you state it is a simple question, what do you believe is the answer?

Sorry, I asked CFrance ... it's her answer that I'm curious about thus I'll wait for her to respond

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Schaumburger

Amber Vinson, the second nurse from Dallas who has been diagnosed with Ebola, is being transported to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta which has more specialized facilities to treat this virus.

Per a recent report, she is a nurses aide, not an RN. Far less training and no business having direct patient care responsibilities with an Ebola patient.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I agree with this. Many are accusing Washington and particularly the current administration, and more specifically the POTUS, for being PC. Many opinions have been stated as fact in this thread, but no proof of this has been offered.



Was air travel restricted during SARS? The H1N1 virus? I don't remember.

In some cases it was, given the outbreak of SARS, there were geographic restrictions in place.

[Radioman41]

Some scientists believe Ebola has the potential to go airborne. See below article.

The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP; "SID-wrap") is a global leader in addressing public health preparedness and emerging infectious disease response. Founded in 2001, CIDRAP is part of the Academic Health Center at the University of Minnesota."

The full punchline from the CIDRAP report:

We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.
In other words, airborne.

Link to entire article:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-1...al-be-airborne

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by dbussone

In some cases it was, given the outbreak of SARS, there were geographic restrictions in place.

I have advocated travel restrictions from day one. THAT means nothing, of course...I realize that.

We have been just a bit late on the last few world crisis situations and are paying for it, and everyone knows that is true. Please let us not be late on this if it expands.

One huge difference....on all those diseases that were used for an example, I think each had a vaccine....NONE for Ebola.

Why hasnt this been done...I pray that their wisdom has expanded a lot since our tardiness on other issues (which are going to cost lives in the world), and they are doing the right thing. When you hear about porous borders...when you hear about our lack of enforcing our law on the border....it just is scary. The last nurse was on a plane with over 100 people.....if ONE, JUST ONE had some sort of accidental contact and took it home to their family....infected a few, especially children...and away we go.
It could happen.

Would a travel ban from these countries work to protect us...who knows. I do know that most African countries have those bans already.

I do understand all the concerns about doing it.....I just do not like to hear that it is "off the table"....it is that verbage...or "not in consideration" that bothers me.

Seems to me, that if you were to over react, this would be the kind of situation to overreact with !

There is an article in the Wall Street Journal on the very subject of travel bans. The basic thought is that doing that alone is wrong and also provides a case about how it may hurt, but it gives a lot of statistics worked up....

"Professor Alex Vespignani, a physicist at Northeastern University in Boston, MA, has developed a computer model that predicts how air traffic affects the spread of Ebola."

It is a great article and worth reading.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamar.../ebola-travel/

What caught my eye....is this from the computer model....

"For most countries, the results indicate that an 80% air traffic reduction more than halves the probability of importing a case of Ebola. For the US, the risk is reduced from around 75% to 25%."

".....Nigeria, which has had one outbreak of 20 cases from a single importation from Liberia."

I am being positive with this situation and hoping and assuming this is a short term situation. If that is the case, the travel ban seems logical....I know it will not stop Ebola in its tracks, but saving just one case, if possible seems worth it.

[kittygilchrist]

And Rags, breaking news, CDC approved the 2nd nurse boarding the flight when she called first to ask....
Hard to stay positive when this is our best first response team. I do not see how we could perform any worse if we tried.

[asianthree]

Hospitals are now asking for volunteers to be trained by CDC for possible patients that may cross into their hospital.

[Lauren Sweeny]

Airborne droplets from cough or sneeze can travel up to 30 feet away at speeds of up 100 miles per hour,( Google various sites on this some differ on speed and distance) theses droplets remain on surfaces. Keep in mind ...airplane,crowded transportation ,schools,cruises,public venues...
Now we have that scenario...think exponentially from patient zero to those they came in contact and who were near enough to have droplets inhaled or hand touched on surfaces. Medical personnel are supposed to be protected( hazmat) yet they became infected....WAY TOO MANY anomalies .What is really going ?? The powers that be are not prepared but due not want mass panic...The rich, or elite will use their resources to travel elsewhere without caution ....the general population will be on there own( think Katrina N.O. )

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Per a recent report, she is a nurses aide, not an RN. Far less training and no business having direct patient care responsibilities with an Ebola patient.

Not true. She is a licensed Registered Nurse in Texas according to the license verification here:

https://www.bon.texas.gov/licensure_verification.asp ("Verify License" Tab in right column)
(Name)
License Type: REGISTERED NURSE
Resides in: DALLAS TX 75206
Issued on: 8/22/2012
Licensure Status: CURRENT - 12/31/2014
Compact License: NO
Current Disciplinary Action: NONE

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Ebola is potentially a lot more deadly than SARS or H1NI, particularly if Ebola mutates like one variant of it (Ebola Zaire) already has and is able to go airborne. Ebola has a death rate anywhere between 59-90% of those who get it as well.

Thus, here's a simple question for you ... why has "Washington" not yet suspended travel into the US from those countries in West Africa where Ebola has broken out?

Because, as has been opined earlier, it won't work anyway. there are many ways to get around that suspension. As Madelaine Amee stated, the world is flat. Her opinion, and mine too.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I agree with this. Many are accusing Washington and particularly the current administration, and more specifically the POTUS, for being PC. Many opinions have been stated as fact in this thread, but no proof of this has been offered.

Was air travel restricted during SARS? The H1N1 virus? I don't remember.

I want to be careful with my wording on this. I already posted a long post on my feelings about a travel ban, and our recent "slowness" in responding to world crisis.

I guess I just want to say this...Ebola..no travel ban on the table and not being considerd....this past summer to put pressure on Israel to sign a treaty, we DID issue many travel warnings and restrictions..not sure about a full blown ban, but THAT merited this consideration and risk of Ebola does not.

[BarryRX]

Just a reminder that here in The Villages, more people have been arrested for having sex on a utility box than have died from Ebola in the entire country.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by BarryRX

Just a reminder that here in The Villages, more people have been arrested for having sex on a utility box than have died from Ebola in the entire country.

What kind of a comparison or statement is THAT??

[BarryRX]

I thought it obvious. We have almost 90 posts about something that is of no danger to any of us. A lot of,folks are spouting worst case scenarios, but so far ebola is statistically not dangerous to anyone here. You are about a million times more likely to die from heart disease or a car accident than Ebola, yet we appear to be more frightened of Ebola. Heck, the upcoming flu season is more dangerous to you. In the last three months that we have been worried about Ebola, 150,000 people have died of heart disease in this country. In the same time period, I think 2 people have died from Ebola in this country.