[KathieI]

Originally Posted by CFrance

..................I prefer to look forward and not backward and keep my posterior off of a plane till it's over.

Yes, and I'm keeping my azz right here until I feel personally comfortable with this whole thing.

[jblum315]

Me too. I know it's probably foolish but if someone coughed or sneezed near me in an airport or on a plane I would probably pass out.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jblum315

Me too. I know it's probably foolish but if someone coughed or sneezed near me in an airport or on a plane I would probably pass out.

My sweetie just called me from his changing planes in Nashville. I threw fits and cried and begged and he said...I have a job to do.

I am worried about HIM and he called to remind me to charge my cell.

sigh.

[janmcn]

Dept. Homeland Security requires West Africa travelers to arrive at 5 airports: USA Today


The Department of Homeland Security announced today that all travelers entering the US from the three West African countries where Ebola is wide spread must enter through one of the five airports with advanced Ebola screening. Those airports are JFK, Newark, Dulles, Atlanta and Chicago.

In a related matter, Rwanda will begin screening all Americans entering its country for Ebola, whether they have symptoms or not.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014...cans-screening

[cologal]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Wasn't referring to transmission through air - am much more concerned about how he is making it up as he goes along. And I would rather he had enough sense to advise medical personnel before they were even exposed to an Ebola patient to suit up as he did when he visited Africa. One minute he says the initial protection was enough and then he says maybe not. Glad he came to that conclusion, but believe in his position he should have had foresight not hindsight.

No mainstream American hospital was prepared or trained for this so mistakes were made. The nurses were NOT protected. Now my niece I in Dallas and my cousin in Frostburg MD have received trading.

The fear is not productive... It's not airborne no matter what Fox says.

[sunnyatlast]

This is what Science Journal (not "Fox") says……


…..Researchers from Harvard, MIT and 11 other centers of excellence stated in Science Journal:

"As in every EVD outbreak, the 2014 EBOV variant carries a number of genetic changes distinct to this lineage; our data do not address whether these differences are related to the severity of the outbreak.

However, the catalog of 395 mutations, including 50 fixed nonsynonymous changes with 8 at positions with high levels of conservation across ebolaviruses, provides a starting point for such studies….."

Genomic surveillance elucidates Ebola virus origin and transmission during the 2014 outbreak

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by cologal

No mainstream American hospital was prepared or trained for this so mistakes were made. The nurses were NOT protected. Now my niece I in Dallas and my cousin in Frostburg MD have received trading.

The fear is not productive... It's not airborne no matter what Fox says.

Now that is a peculiar comment which reveals a mindset behind it … “…no matter what Fox says,” and coming from someone who I doubt ever turns that channel on anyway. Plus, by making this charge, you are being neither fair nor balanced IMHO. It is also a streeeeetch to say that George Will ( a has-been, semi-conservative commentator) is somehow responsible for the “spread” of the airborne possibility discussion. This question is being pondered by a lot of people, including Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, hardly a Fox news flunky wouldn’t you agree, who said "I'm worried about it because we know so little about it," he said. "You'll hear different people describe whether it could become airborne." He said that scientists did not agree. "I don't know who's right. I don't want to take that chance. So I'm taking it very seriously."

Let’s look at the facts as best we can determine…

-This strain of the virus, so far, seems to be relatively hard to transmit and it’s been 5 days or so since the last infection. Let’s hope it stays that way. (on a non-related topic, that’s the main reason the stock market has gone up for the last few sessions)

-There is no evidence to date the virus can go airborne. Let’s hope and pray it does not.

-But, that does not mean it cannot go airborne, does it? To deny that possibility, or to equate talking about it in a responsible way with spreading fear, is simply another rationalization for the ostrich to justify leaving its head buried lest any bad news disturb it.

-As I said, this question is being debated, has been for years, and in lots of fora, various elements of the media and of course on TOTV. Here is just a brief sample of what a search turns up.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ay-go-airborne

Why Won't The Fear Of Airborne Ebola Go Away? : Shots - Health News : NPR

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-1...-different-bug

Can Ebola Go Airborne? - Forbes


So the point is, we don’t know if it can go airborne, and until someone definitely proves it one way or the other, it remains a legitimate topic for discussion.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by cologal

No mainstream American hospital was prepared or trained for this so mistakes were made. The nurses were NOT protected. Now my niece I in Dallas and my cousin in Frostburg MD have received trading.

The fear is not productive... It's not airborne no matter what Fox says.

There is nothing wrong with a healthy fear of the unkown. I am always suspect to the bravado that puts down others NATURAL reactions to a life threatening situation.

Whether it is airborn NOW or not IS NOT the issue. Prudent planning and understanding just naturally includes what else COULD HAPPEN given the life threatening potential.

I agree with other posters that credibility is watered down when it is tainted with blatant bias!!

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

No, I actually have a very good working knowledge on how things are really done in Washington.

The thread went like this ...

I said (to another poster, not you): "Just out of curiosity and given your earlier comments about how you think a "political operative" is an ideal candidate to be Ebola Czar ...if the Ebola crisis had occurred in the prior administration would you have been as equally gushing had say Karl Rove been appointed?"

You replied: "Actually, Karl Rove or Andy Card would have been great choices. Both are insiders who know how to get things done. One does not have to be an expert in the field in order to coordinate operations and to get all the people talking on the same page."

After my jaw dropped with disbelief, I then replied to you with: "Actually, by saying what you just did, it's clear you have no idea how DC really works."

Your first reply to this was:

“You are probably right. We never had to know that much about Washington DC and the inner workings of federal agencies in my life before retirement. I should just leave it up to experts like you. Thank you for correcting me.”

But, then you changed your post to what’s shown above in which you say you do understand the workings of DC.

Now, we will never know whether you were telling the truth the first time, or simply being tongue in cheek, but we do know you changed your post.

Copy of my iPhone screen shot attached which shows your first post.

[Nightengale212]

Originally Posted by cologal

No mainstream American hospital was prepared or trained for this so mistakes were made. The nurses were NOT protected. Now my niece I in Dallas and my cousin in Frostburg MD have received trading.

The fear is not productive... It's not airborne no matter what Fox says.

Since you have minimal fear regarding Ebola how about changing places with me!! I am a Primary Care R.N. Triage Nurse, and as of this writing have received no training on Ebola PPE, and the only info that has come down my pike are a few generic Ebola e-mails from my powers that be that continue to say protocols are in the works. To add fuel to the fire, my little state has a sizeable West African population, and the largest per capital Liberian population in the US.

This R.N. has received more Ebola info on my rides home from work listening to Sean Hannity on the radio than I have from my own healthcare facility which is pretty pathetic.

For those praying for the Pope save a few of those prayers for me and my nursing colleagues as we can certainly use them.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Nightengale212

Since you have minimal fear regarding Ebola how about changing places with me!! I am a Primary Care R.N. Triage Nurse, and as of this writing have received no training on Ebola PPE, and the only info that has come down my pike are a few generic Ebola e-mails from my powers that be that continue to say protocols are in the works. To add fuel to the fire, my little state has a sizeable West African population, and the largest per capital Liberian population in the US.

This R.N. has received more Ebola info on my rides home from work listening to Sean Hannity on the radio than I have from my own healthcare facility which is pretty pathetic.

For those praying for the Pope save a few of those prayers for me and my nursing colleagues as we can certainly use them.

We are with you in thought and prayer!

Here is a picture of the Ebola kit baggies that were being given to nurses right up until the CDC's new guidelines on protective gear announced yesterday, as shown and discussed by a nursing union rep on Kelly File last night.

Nurses are supposed to be intelligent enough to fight Ebola, but yet dumb enough to be appeased into believing they are protected by these "baggies" kits….that don't even contain a GOWN!

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...1&d=1413912817

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Nightengale212

Since you have minimal fear regarding Ebola how about changing places with me!! I am a Primary Care R.N. Triage Nurse, and as of this writing have received no training on Ebola PPE, and the only info that has come down my pike are a few generic Ebola e-mails from my powers that be that continue to say protocols are in the works. To add fuel to the fire, my little state has a sizeable West African population, and the largest per capital Liberian population in the US. This R.N. has received more Ebola info on my rides home from work listening to Sean Hannity on the radio than I have from my own healthcare facility which is pretty pathetic.

That isn't what we want to hear.
I have nothing but admiration for RNs and others who work on the front lines to keep us well.

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328
No, I actually have a very good working knowledge on how things are really done in Washington.

Posted by Texan in VA
The thread went like this ...
I said (to another poster, not you): "Just out of curiosity and given your earlier comments about how you think a "political operative" is an ideal candidate to be Ebola Czar ...if the Ebola crisis had occurred in the prior administration would you have been as equally gushing had say Karl Rove been appointed?" .... snipped ....
Now, we will never know whether you were telling the truth the first time, or simply being tongue in cheek, but we do know you changed your post

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Careful, or you might both be sent to the principal's office.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

That isn't what we want to hear.
I have nothing but admiration for RNs and others who work on the front lines to keep us well.

__________________________________________________ __________________________

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328
No, I actually have a very good working knowledge on how things are really done in Washington.

Posted by Texan in VA
The thread went like this ...
I said (to another poster, not you): "Just out of curiosity and given your earlier comments about how you think a "political operative" is an ideal candidate to be Ebola Czar ...if the Ebola crisis had occurred in the prior administration would you have been as equally gushing had say Karl Rove been appointed?" .... snipped ....
Now, we will never know whether you were telling the truth the first time, or simply being tongue in cheek, but we do know you changed your post

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Careful, or you might both be sent to the principal's office.

Agree ... let's hear it for the RNs ... the front line in this fight indeed.

Regarding Sandtrap ... we're good. We've been in mutual contact and will keep it friendly if/where we agree to disagree

[gomoho]

The recent move to funnel all folks travelling from the 3 countries in question into only 5 American airports is in my opinion the first step towards blocking all travel. Wonder why it took them so long to figure out what most of us said weeks ago! This wouldn't be pandering to the electorate or would it?

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by gomoho

The recent move to funnel all folks travelling from the 3 countries in question into only 5 American airports is in my opinion the first step towards blocking all travel. Wonder why it took them so long to figure out what most of us said weeks ago! This wouldn't be pandering to the electorate or would it?

One thing is for certain. They are never going to admit to adopting a common-sense idea that any hardworking taxpayer with horse sense proposes.