[janmcn]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

It doesn't make any sense? I didn't say stop ALL the people on a flight.

Stop giving visas to the people who are disqualified at the Ebola screening entry points and disease testing results review at the Embassy, and rescind the visas of the 13,000 outstanding ones who fail to pass Ebola Screening/Testing by U.S. Consulates in their countries!

Duncan entered the U.S. on a Tourist visa!

From the U.S. Embassy in Liberia:

"All visitors to the United States Embassy – including visa applicants – must pass through security screening. Because of the outbreak of Ebola Virus Disease (EVD) in Liberia, visa applicants will be screened for symptoms of EVD and any visitor exhibiting symptoms of EVD will be required to leave the consular section. "

Nonimmigrant Visas | Embassy of the United States Monrovia, Liberia

Duncan had no symptoms the day he boarded the flight.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Duncan had no symptoms the day he boarded the flight.

No his was much worse.

He knew he was exposed.
He knowingly lied to get aboard the plane in his own words to get treatment in the USA!!

[janmcn]

[quote=billethkid;956475]No his was much worse.

He knew he was exposed.
He knowingly lied to get aboard the plane in his own

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[VT2TV]

Originally Posted by Nightengale212

Since you have minimal fear regarding Ebola how about changing places with me!! I am a Primary Care R.N. Triage Nurse, and as of this writing have received no training on Ebola PPE, and the only info that has come down my pike are a few generic Ebola e-mails from my powers that be that continue to say protocols are in the works. To add fuel to the fire, my little state has a sizeable West African population, and the largest per capital Liberian population in the US.

This R.N. has received more Ebola info on my rides home from work listening to Sean Hannity on the radio than I have from my own healthcare facility which is pretty pathetic.

For those praying for the Pope save a few of those prayers for me and my nursing colleagues as we can certainly use them.

You need to be contacting the CDC, or Osha, or the Health Regulatory Board for your state, or JCAHO, or any other agency you can think of. I don't know if you would have to give your name (in case you are afraid of retribution). But even if your hospital gets angry, what is more important-you and your co-workers being protected from a potentially deadly disease??? or--losing your job? I don't think I would want to work for a hospital who doesn't seem to care about me. !!!!!!!!!!!! Or their patients.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Duncan had no symptoms the day he boarded the flight.

He received the visa last year and showed the numerous largest risk factors for overstaying a tourist visa:

"Jessica Vaughn, a researcher affiliated with the nonprofit Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. officials had made one “mistake” by issuing Duncan a visa last year and a second error by allowing him to enter the country.

“If you look at his circumstances, it should have been really tough for him to qualify for a visa,” Vaughn said. She noted that Duncan reportedly was single, jobless, living away from his home country and had a number of relatives in the U.S. — all factors that often indicate a person is unlikely to return home after their visa expires. “He clearly appears unqualified.”

Immigration critic says Liberian ebola patient should not have received U.S. visa - The Washington Post

[Villages PL]

What's the difference between Martial Law & Murphy's Law?

Answer: At least twice as much can go wrong under Martial Law.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

He received the visa last year and showed the numerous largest risk factors for overstaying a tourist visa:

"Jessica Vaughn, a researcher affiliated with the nonprofit Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. officials had made one “mistake” by issuing Duncan a visa last year and a second error by allowing him to enter the country.

“If you look at his circumstances, it should have been really tough for him to qualify for a visa,” Vaughn said. She noted that Duncan reportedly was single, jobless, living away from his home country and had a number of relatives in the U.S. — all factors that often indicate a person is unlikely to return home after their visa expires. “He clearly appears unqualified.”

Immigration critic says Liberian ebola patient should not have received U.S. visa - The Washington Post

"He clearly appears unqualified".... He had a son and was going to marry his girlfriend....the question is his girlfriend a citizen?

[cologal]

Originally Posted by billethkid

No his was much worse.

He knew he was exposed.
He knowingly lied to get aboard the plane in his own words to get treatment in the USA!!

I think you might be a little off base with this claim. He was coming here to marry the mother of his child, the wedding had been setup. This is an article from the Wall Street Journal. If he thought he had been exposed to Ebola he would have said I have Ebola or I have been exposed to Ebola instead of what he said "I have been in West Africa"

Liberian

if you have an article to support he said "I came to the US for treatment" please share it.

[gomoho]

If Mr. Duncan carried a dying pregnant woman who clearly had Ebola and he didn't know she had ebola even living in a village plagued by it then my guess is he probably didn't lie, but he sure was dumb.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by gomoho

If Mr. Duncan carried a dying pregnant woman who clearly had Ebola and he didn't know she had ebola even living in a village plagued by it then my guess is he probably didn't lie, but he sure was dumb.

Dumb and caring.

[billethkid]

I merely parroted what was reported in the early days of his arrival.....by one of the national news networks.

And yes, after several days the information was never spoken about ever again.

More information that if in fact true merely adds to the volumes of errors made that ALLOWED this man into the country.....

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by dplars

Ask yourself this.....are you more likely to be infected or beheaded than you were six years ago?

No.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I merely parroted what was reported in the early days of his arrival.....by one of the national news networks.

And yes, after several days the information was never spoken about ever again.

More information that if in fact true merely adds to the volumes of errors made that ALLOWED this man into the country.....

Yes I had heard that he carried a bleeding women but that report said she was having a miscarriage. No report I can find said that he came here for treatment which, I think, is confirmed by the fact didn't say he was exposed to Ebola. Had he said that he might be alive today.

[Nightengale212]

Originally Posted by VT2TV

You need to be contacting the CDC, or Osha, or the Health Regulatory Board for your state, or JCAHO, or any other agency you can think of. I don't know if you would have to give your name (in case you are afraid of retribution). But even if your hospital gets angry, what is more important-you and your co-workers being protected from a potentially deadly disease??? or--losing your job? I don't think I would want to work for a hospital who doesn't seem to care about me. !!!!!!!!!!!! Or their patients.

My situation was not unique as I have nurse friends working in various hospitals that were experiencing the same concerns. Since my posting I had an opportunity to meet several times with my nurse manager as well as the chief MD of Primary Care to discuss my concerns and add my hopefully constructive input to the process of handling a suspected Ebola patient. Yesterday we had a department meeting, and I am actually pleased with the process that was presented. As it stands, unless a suspected patient somehow wanders to my office, the smart decision was made to have the infectious disease team take over all triaging and care planning of these patients.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by cologal

To me this is a medical not a political issue and I have spent my entire adult life in the medical community.

I agree. But is this anything new? There are those who refuse to see ANY issue, not simply this one, in ANY terms OTHER THAN POLITICAL--and often these terms are selective! Their motivation is something I will never understand. Here are a few examples; this list could go on and on....

• If states have to raise their public university tuition charges, resulting in, say, working poor no longer able to send their children to college, this is an EDUCATIONAL and ECONOMIC issue--but there are those who see it ONLY in political terms.

• If an effort is made so that the U.S. will no longer be the last major first-world nation not to provide universal health care for its residents, this is a SOCIAL and MEDICAL issue--but there are those who see it ONLY in political terms.

• If a war is declared to rid a region of nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, this is a MILITARY issue--but there are those who see it ONLY in political terms.

Originally Posted by Jebstuart

An interesting article from doctors without borders of what it is really like. The international response has been pathetic. This disease can be stopped or at least greatly reduced if those on the front lines had the resources....

Originally Posted by CFrance

The last paragraph in this article gives understanding about how poverty and misuse of the land in other countries affects us all:

"Scientists and epidemiologists know enough now to issue a clear warning. The risk of future Ebola outbreaks will persist as long as pervasive poverty forces large numbers of people, who depend on bushmeat for their very physical and economic survival, to hunt ever deeper in the region’s degraded and rapidly diminishing forests."

I believe first-world countries cannot afford to be isolationists, at least where world health is concerned.

I agree on this point too. But is THIS anything new (to some extent depending on the country)? The attitude, whether domestically or internationally, of "I have mine; the rest of you can go fly a kite [politely put though often not intended politely...]," continues to be alive and well. The very idea that we can even think in isolationist terms--that we can effectively put up a barrier to a virus at our borders (not necessarily ebola; could be influenza or any other serious disease)--is simply unrealistic, and not sharing resources goes beyond shortsightedness!

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

.... The DC “czar strategy” is designed to make the credulous and lightly informed across the country feel better, “hey, he’s appointed a czar…problem solved!” It’s further designed to take the heat off senior appointed officials who actually have line management responsibility while they scramble to actually solve the problem. However, in this instance, it is also being done with an eye on the calendar for early November. If you deny that, there’s not much else that can be said. As I stated in an earlier post, this technique seems to fool the gullible pretty much every time it’s tried, and not just with this administration I might add....

I had suggested in an earlier post that this position with the unlikely title of "czar" be researched, perhaps by a doctoral candidate, starting with President Reagan's appointment of the first "czar" (relating to the war on drugs, accompanied by the motto "Just say no!") right through to the present. I PARTIALLY agree with the first point in this quote--only partially, though, as the appointment may indeed be extremely effective:

• The DC “czar strategy” is designed to make the credulous and lightly informed across the country feel better, “hey, he’s appointed a czar…problem solved!”

And I partially agree with this second point--same reason as above, that is, the appointment may be extremely effective. Someone once sent me a YouTube video of interviews conducted during the Tea Party March on Washington several years ago, and in response to a comment (my wording may not be absolutely accurate) "We don't need no stinkin' czars," when the interviewer pointed out that the first appointee with the "czar" title had been made decades earlier by President Reagan, as mentioned above, the response was utter incredulity!

• As I stated in an earlier post, this technique seems to fool the gullible pretty much every time it’s tried, and not just with this administration I might add....

Originally Posted by Villages PL

What's the difference between Martial Law & Murphy's Law?

Answer: At least twice as much can go wrong under Martial Law.

Notwithstanding this being a serious subject, thank you for a moment of lightness. We must always remember that "Murphy was an optimist"....