[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by cologal

Here you go...the guidelines


Interim Guidance for Monitoring and Movement of Persons with Ebola Virus Disease Exposure | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC

I ask again, would those who oppose quarantine of this nurse, feel comfortable with her baby sitting their grandchild?

[cologal]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I ask again, would those who oppose quarantine of this nurse, feel comfortable with her baby sitting their grandchild?

The treatment of this nurse was harsh.... now even Christie is backing off his original position. So I ask you if you were a medical professional and knew you would be treated this way when you returned would you volunteer to help?

I can't answer your question because I don't have a grandchild.

[cologal]

Several governors decided to impose a mandatory quarantine before they thought about the implementation of such a ban. In earlier posts I commented on the fact that the Public Health Service Hospitals and their quarantine stations were shutdown by the Reagan administration. So when this nurse landed there was no where to take her and she ended up in a tent outside the hospital in a different building.

Now she is being released to travel home to stay under quarantine in her home.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by cologal

Dr. Spencer followed the guidelines for returning medical personnel, that is why he was taking his temperature twice a day. If we look at what has happened over the past few weeks....

Duncan arrives, get sick, is turned away from the hospital, gets sicker returns to the hospital and later dies. 2 hospital workers who had direct contact with his body fluids are infected with the virus. Some 100 people in Ohio are quarantined due to Amber Vinson. Duncan's family are quarantined and a laboratory tech is quarantined on a cruise ship. None of the quarantined parties are infected with the virus.

These virus is difficult to catch a point which seems to be lost on many of the posters here and the general public. Hopefully no one in NYC will get sick as Dr. Spencer was asymptotic when he was out in public. Perhaps if no one gets sick we will all begin to calm down.

You completely missed my point that people no longer believe what they are being told because there have been so many mistakes made and situations where they make it up as we go along. Absolutely no confidence in what the CDC, the administration, the WHO, the NHI or any of the other muckety-mucks say at this point.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by cologal

A 5 year old who returned from Africa now has a fever but is NOT in isolation but the returning healthcare worker is.. Are ya kidding me!


Report: 5 Year Old Hospitalized In NYC With Possible Ebola Symptoms

The article you linked us to actually says he is hospitalized and in isolation.

[billethkid]

OK so the nurse was released. We don't know what the conditions of her release are yet. Confined to home. Very lawyerly avoides saying quarantined at home. But enough about the nurse's media moments of fame.

I have a real problem understanding what is attempting to be communicated. If the exposure is not a big deal, then why are hundreds of thousands of dollars and man hours being spent to find those who have come in contact with those who develop symptoms.

I do not mean to put anybody in a corner but what I still have not heard is it OK for an ebola exposed visitor to TV to walk, sit and be among us??

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I'm always amused when someone engages in historical revisionism and applies contemporary standards to an earlier era. I don't think it really accomplishes much except to allow some to preen with supposed moral superiority or greater levels of enlightenment etc ... I'm guessing you also opposed the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... but that's another thread.

Anyway, the person who signed the executive order for internment was FDR. In the context of the times, uncertainty and fear, it was considered a prudent precaution. Unfortunate and regrettable I agree, but that's looking back with the luxury of hindsight, thus I don't criticize him for doing it. Any President at the time probably would have made the same decision.

You are wrong. I recognized "the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki" as a necessary military decision and supported it, horrible as its effects were on the civilian population. It was the only way to bring about an end to the Pacific War which otherwise would have continued interminably.

And you completely missed the point I was making. I agree with you about "the luxury of hindsight"; however, I was focusing on the difference in treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of one enemy in contrast to the treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of the other two enemies. This has NOTHING to do with "the luxury of hindsight" and EVERYTHING to do with racism!

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by twinklesweep

You are wrong. I recognized "the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki" as a necessary military decision and supported it, horrible as its effects were on the civilian population.

And you completely missed the point I was making. I agree with you about "the luxury of hindsight"; however, I was focusing on the difference in treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of one enemy in contrast to the treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of the other two enemies. This has NOTHING to do with "the luxury of hindsight" and EVERYTHING to do with racism!

which all of the above has nothing to do with the thread's inquiry!!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by billethkid

what I need from some who are against the qurantine is an understanding of what they think should be done under the following circumstances:

A person is either from the hot zone or has been exposed to infected patients.
The person shows no signs of ebola and is allowed to fly out.
The person arrives in TV and still does not show any symtoms.
It is published that people so exposed may possibly show symptoms within 21 days of exposure, which means those who showed no symptoms yesterday still have the potential to become infected today.
Should these people be allowed to visit the squares?
Attend a function at Savannah Center?
Have dinner across the table with you at Arnold Palmers?
Ride on the bus sitting next to you?
Attend a wine tasting at GarVinos in line ahead of you?

Remembering these folks can still become symptomatic and infected at anytime along the way during the above.

Is that OK?

The only way to avoid infected people at the squares, The Savannah Center, Arnold Palmer's, on the bus, or GarVinos is to stay away from those places; along with airplanes, cruise ships, doctor's offices, hospitals, nursing homes, any places that crowds gather.

A person can only be responsible for their own well-being and not for those around them.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The only way to avoid infected people at the squares, The Savannah Center, Arnold Palmer's, on the bus, or GarVinos is to stay away from those places; along with airplanes, cruise ships, doctor's offices, hospitals, nursing homes, any places that crowds gather.

A person can only be responsible for their own well-being and not for those around them.

So we are to completely change our way of life to accomodate the few violators? Plus permitting the infected to take over the entire environment of our lives.

Obviously those exposed and infected do not subscribe to being responsible for theirs or anybody elses well being.

It is very simple....do not let them in in the first place....like it or not!

[cologal]

Originally Posted by gomoho

You completely missed my point that people no longer believe what they are being told because there have been so many mistakes made and situations where they make it up as we go along. Absolutely no confidence in what the CDC, the administration, the WHO, the NHI or any of the other muckety-mucks say at this point.

The proof they say is in the pudding....

How many people in the general public here the US have contracted Ebola?

[cologal]

Originally Posted by billethkid

so we are to completely change our way of life to accomodate the few violators? Plus permitting the infected to take over the entire environment of our lives.

Obviously those exposed and infected do not subscribe to being responsible for theirs or anybody elses well being.

It is very simple....do not let them in in the first place....like it or not!

lol!!!! Why must you criminalize everything?

The doctor followed the CDC procedure for medical professional, the nurse was and is not symptomatic.

How many people in the US have contracted Ebola from the people, in your own words, those exposed and infected do not subscribe to being responsible?

[cologal]

Originally Posted by billethkid

OK so the nurse was released. We don't know what the conditions of her release are yet. Confined to home. Very lawyerly avoides saying quarantined at home. But enough about the nurse's media moments of fame.

I have a real problem understanding what is attempting to be communicated. If the exposure is not a big deal, then why are hundreds of thousands of dollars and man hours being spent to find those who have come in contact with those who develop symptoms.

I do not mean to put anybody in a corner but what I still have not heard is it OK for an ebola exposed visitor to TV to walk, sit and be among us??

The nurse is being released to travel home and remain there while she is monitored twice daily.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by cologal

lol!!!! Why must you criminalize everything?

The doctor followed the CDC procedure for medical professional, the nurse was and is not symptomatic.

How many people in the US have contracted Ebola from the people, in your own words, those exposed and infected do not subscribe to being responsible?

I am curious if and when the first person in "the general public" presents with symptoms if you will change your tune??? I prefer to be proactive rather then reactive.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by gomoho

I am curious if and when the first person in "the general public" presents with symptoms if you will change your tune??? I prefer to be proactive rather then reactive.

I hear over and over again you all don't trust the CDC but the protocols they have put in place have worked so far. As no one in Duncan's family or anyone associated with the 2 nurses have been infected. They were monitoring around 100 people in Ohio.

The doctor in NYC was monitoring his temp twice a day and when it rose he was taken into isolation. So will anyone in NYC get the virus from the doctor being on a subway? Let's talk then.