[billethkid]

the obvious lack of response to my hypothetical ebola exposed visitor to TV continues to be ignored.

Must be a reason for that.

Also criminalizing is in the eye of the beholder as I intended to criminalize nothing!

[cologal]

Originally Posted by billethkid

the obvious lack of response to my hypothetical ebola exposed visitor to TV continues to be ignored.

Must be a reason for that.

Also criminalizing is in the eye of the beholder as I intended to criminalize nothing!

The CDC guidelines that have been in place from the being call for anyone exposed to an Ebola patient to be monitored for 21 days. That is what happened in Texas to the Duncan family, hospital personnel and to the people who had contact with the nurse that traveled to Ohio. I believe that everyone has been cleared.

None of these people were subjected to being placed in an unheated tent without indoor plumbing as was the nurse in New Jersey.

That should answer your question.....

[cologal]

Originally Posted by gomoho

The article you linked us to actually says he is hospitalized and in isolation.

When he first got to the hospital he was put in the general population at least according to that report.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by gomoho

You completely missed my point that people no longer believe what they are being told because there have been so many mistakes made and situations where they make it up as we go along. Absolutely no confidence in what the CDC, the administration, the WHO, the NHI or any of the other muckety-mucks say at this point.

You have no confidence in the CDC, the administration, the WHO, the NHI. But you seem to have very strong opinions about how this situation should be managed. So please, what are the sources you trust? Why do you trust them and not the ones you distrust? I don't believe that the CDC, the WHO, etc. would like to see an epidemic and that they give the best evidence based advice possible. They are not going to be infallible but they are going to be extremely careful. These dedicated professionals went into public health because they care about prevention and health. They are not in the business of selling fear nor misinformation. There have now been hundreds if not thousands of Americans casually exposed to Ebola virus. So far not a single one has gotten sick. At what point will this panic diminish? So your comment that people don't believe what those agencies produce is wrong. Some people do accept that their recommendations are well researched and evidence based. Including Blueash. Perhaps I am just a "muckety muck" too

How much fear do you have for people returning from the meningitis belt of sub-Saharan Africa? For returnees from SE Asia with exposure to untreatable TB (much easier to casually spread)? For people returning from Australia where they might be carrying Hendra virus?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

This is all I have to say!

[cologal]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

This is all I have to say!

LOL!!! This is the best....

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by blueash

You have no confidence in the CDC, the administration, the WHO, the NHI. But you seem to have very strong opinions about how this situation should be managed. So please, what are the sources you trust? Why do you trust them and not the ones you distrust? I don't believe that the CDC, the WHO, etc. would like to see an epidemic and that they give the best evidence based advice possible. They are not going to be infallible but they are going to be extremely careful. These dedicated professionals went into public health because they care about prevention and health. They are not in the business of selling fear nor misinformation. There have now been hundreds if not thousands of Americans casually exposed to Ebola virus. So far not a single one has gotten sick. At what point will this panic diminish? So your comment that people don't believe what those agencies produce is wrong. Some people do accept that their recommendations are well researched and evidence based. Including Blueash. Perhaps I am just a "muckety muck" too

How much fear do you have for people returning from the meningitis belt of sub-Saharan Africa? For returnees from SE Asia with exposure to untreatable TB (much easier to casually spread)? For people returning from Australia where they might be carrying Hendra virus?

If you actually read ALL my posts I have mentioned several times I don't have the answers but am thinking out loud. I honestly don't trust anyone involved in politics to tell the truth about anything. And yes I believe the CDC etc. are involved in politics and being directed by the administration to say whatever it takes to prevent a panic. No, I don't want a panic, but I don't trust what they are saying.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by cologal

I hear over and over again you all don't trust the CDC but the protocols they have put in place have worked so far. As no one in Duncan's family or anyone associated with the 2 nurses have been infected. They were monitoring around 100 people in Ohio.

The doctor in NYC was monitoring his temp twice a day and when it rose he was taken into isolation. So will anyone in NYC get the virus from the doctor being on a subway? Let's talk then.

"the protocols they have put in place have worked so far" Really - tell that to the two nurses that recently recovered from the Ebola they contracted following CDC guidelines.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

From my limited knowledge, Ebola does seem hard to contract. It doesn't persist very long in the open environment and is easy to kill. However, history would suggest that we are "being managed" and not told the complete story, as you suggested. Unless you are an "insider", it is hard to tell what is really going on. Whenever someone tried to convince me that "all is well", I tend to believe the opposite.

Originally Posted by blueash

You have no confidence in the CDC, the administration, the WHO, the NHI. But you seem to have very strong opinions about how this situation should be managed. So please, what are the sources you trust? Why do you trust them and not the ones you distrust? I don't believe that the CDC, the WHO, etc. would like to see an epidemic and that they give the best evidence based advice possible. They are not going to be infallible but they are going to be extremely careful. These dedicated professionals went into public health because they care about prevention and health. They are not in the business of selling fear nor misinformation. There have now been hundreds if not thousands of Americans casually exposed to Ebola virus. So far not a single one has gotten sick. At what point will this panic diminish? So your comment that people don't believe what those agencies produce is wrong. Some people do accept that their recommendations are well researched and evidence based. Including Blueash. Perhaps I am just a "muckety muck" too

How much fear do you have for people returning from the meningitis belt of sub-Saharan Africa? For returnees from SE Asia with exposure to untreatable TB (much easier to casually spread)? For people returning from Australia where they might be carrying Hendra virus?

Actually you've veered into the key issue perhaps without realizing it --- lack of trust.

[TexaninVA]

u

Originally Posted by cologal

Doesn't matter who signed it.....The policy was wrong.

If your question of the use of the atomic bomb is directed to me....nope I agree we needed to use it, my father-in-law worked at the Hanford Project.

If you want to argue FDR was wrong that's your right

Roger that re your Father-in-law at Hanford ... my Dad was USMC and would have been in Operation Olympic except for Trumans decision

[cologal]

Originally Posted by gomoho

"the protocols they have put in place have worked so far" Really - tell that to the two nurses that recently recovered from the Ebola they contracted following CDC guidelines.

The hospital did not train there personnel and they did not have all the equipment needed to handle this type of patient.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

u

If you want to argue FDR was wrong that's your right

Roger that re your Father-in-law at Hanford ... my Dad was USMC and would have been in Operation Olympic except for Trumans decision

There was much more than the camps...property was stolen. While I understand the fear it was a terrible thing.

For my parents FDR was a GOD...

Good thing for your father that wasn't going to be fun. I was asked to make a sales call in Hiroshima a few years back....I really didn't want to go, it to was called off due to an earthquake.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by cologal

The hospital did not train there personnel and they did not have all the equipment needed to handle this type of patient.

Thank you for making a valid point - you can't depend on hospitals, doctors, or nurses to get things right so it is a problem. Actually at the point Duncan was admitted Dr. Fried was saying their garb was appropriate - turns out it wasn't and they have upped the anty - my point exactly - they are making it up as we go along and don't really know; therefore, I doubt what they tell me.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by cologal

There was much more than the camps...property was stolen. While I understand the fear it was a terrible thing.

For my parents FDR was a GOD...

Good thing for your father that wasn't going to be fun. I was asked to make a sales call in Hiroshima a few years back....I really didn't want to go, it to was called off due to an earthquake.

I think this is about Ebola - if you guys want to argue another point please do it in PMs.

Thanks

[cologal]

Originally Posted by gomoho

I think this is about Ebola - if you guys want to argue another point please do it in PMs.

Thanks

Geez I didn't think we were arguing but ok...