[gomoho]

Thank God the little boy has so far tested negative - they will continue to monitor for a few days.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by cologal

There was much more than the camps...property was stolen. While I understand the fear it was a terrible thing.

For my parents FDR was a GOD...

Good thing for your father that wasn't going to be fun. I was asked to make a sales call in Hiroshima a few years back....I really didn't want to go, it to was called off due to an earthquake.

Actually, when I was a young naval officer, I visited Nagasaki on shore leave and got a lot of nasty looks. This was circa 1972. If my city had been A-bombed, I probably wouldn't' be too friendly either ... but OTOH, without that, a lot of us would not have been here at all because our Father's would have died on the beaches ... in huge numbers.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by twinklesweep

You are wrong. I recognized "the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki" as a necessary military decision and supported it, horrible as its effects were on the civilian population. It was the only way to bring about an end to the Pacific War which otherwise would have continued interminably.

And you completely missed the point I was making. I agree with you about "the luxury of hindsight"; however, I was focusing on the difference in treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of one enemy in contrast to the treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of the other two enemies. This has NOTHING to do with "the luxury of hindsight" and EVERYTHING to do with racism!

No, I got your point but you know what ... the racism argument gets really tiresome after a while. Get over your guilt and move on. Stuff happens and sometimes imperfect decisions are made. Besides, the Nisei got over it a long time ago and kicked German butt, and ended up as the most highly decorated outfit in the US military during WWII.

[TexaninVA]

Ok back to Ebola …

Here’s what we ALL agree on:
- No one ever, ever wants to get Ebola
- The best thing to do is eliminate Ebola at the source in West Africa
- A smart strategy is to prevent Ebola from coming into the US vs reacting to it when it gets here

The argument is how we best accomplish this.
However, what’s confusing is …

-The DoD has just said troops returning will be quarantined for 21 days.

-Yet, some in the CDC and elsewhere say doctors returning from actually treating Ebola patients will not be quarantined. Or maybe they will. Or maybe not?

- Or, maybe the policy … which supposedly was put into place and all ready to go per public announcements a few weeks ago … is still garbled and changing so quickly that’s it’s difficult to keep up.

Other than that, it’s perfectly clear.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by twinklesweep

Though this is a different subject, rest assured that there are those who would disagree with you (and me) that the internment camps were morally repugnant and simply outrageous.

And for those who are not familiar with the history, during World War II we were fighting three primary enemies: Germany, Italy, and Japan. Americans of Japanese descent were rounded up, taken from their homes, businesses, jobs, lives, and put into internment camps for the duration of the war. Rest assured that Americans of German and Italian descent were NOT treated this way!

Racism was alive and well during those times, and in my opinion it is still true today. In recent years I have heard more overt racist remarks here in TV than I had in several decades preceding. But as I said, this is a whole other subject....

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I'm always amused when someone engages in historical revisionism and applies contemporary standards to an earlier era. I don't think it really accomplishes much except to allow some to preen with supposed moral superiority or greater levels of enlightenment etc ... I'm guessing you also opposed the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... but that's another thread.

Anyway, the person who signed the executive order for internment was FDR. In the context of the times, uncertainty and fear, it was considered a prudent precaution. Unfortunate and regrettable I agree, but that's looking back with the luxury of hindsight, thus I don't criticize him for doing it. Any President at the time probably would have made the same decision.

Originally Posted by twinklesweep

You are wrong. I recognized "the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki" as a necessary military decision and supported it, horrible as its effects were on the civilian population. It was the only way to bring about an end to the Pacific War which otherwise would have continued interminably.

And you completely missed the point I was making. I agree with you about "the luxury of hindsight"; however, I was focusing on the difference in treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of one enemy in contrast to the treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of the other two enemies. This has NOTHING to do with "the luxury of hindsight" and EVERYTHING to do with racism!

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

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If you want to argue FDR was wrong that's your right

Roger that re your Father-in-law at Hanford ... my Dad was USMC and would have been in Operation Olympic except for Trumans decision

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Actually, when I was a young naval officer, I visited Nagasaki on shore leave and got a lot of nasty looks. This was circa 1972. If my city had been A-bombed, I probably wouldn't' be too friendly either ... but OTOH, without that, a lot of us would not have been here at all because our Father's would have died on the beaches ... in huge numbers.

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

No, I got your point but you know what ... the racism argument gets really tiresome after a while. Get over your guilt and move on. Stuff happens and sometimes imperfect decisions are made. Besides, the Nisei got over it a long time ago and kicked German butt, and ended up as the most highly decorated outfit in the US military during WWII.

I started out by saying "Though this is a different subject...." If anyone is terribly offended and/or distracted by an unrelated aside during this intense discussion of ebola by another poster (above) and myself, I apologize for my part in it....

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by cologal

Several governors decided to impose a mandatory quarantine before they thought about the implementation of such a ban. In earlier posts I commented on the fact that the Public Health Service Hospitals and their quarantine stations were shutdown by the Reagan administration. So when this nurse landed there was no where to take her and she ended up in a tent outside the hospital in a different building.

Now she is being released to travel home to stay under quarantine in her home.

Oh, really?? "There was no place to take her" because of what Reagan did 34 years ago??…..

(….never mind Bellevue Hospital 15 miles away or 5 minutes by helicopter, where they were already treating the physician with ebola and it was already a designated "Ebola Ready" hospital:

"Oct. 23, 2014 -- Bellevue Hospital is one of eight hospitals in New York State that Gov. Andrew Cuomo has designated as “Ebola ready.” The facility will care for confirmed cases from any of the 11 public hospitals in the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation (HHC) and any suspected cases among patients who fly into John F. Kennedy or LaGuardia airports……"

What makes Bellevue Hospital “Ebola ready”?
In Bellevue there are four rooms ready to receive potential Ebola patients. These rooms were originally regular isolation rooms but have been fitted to better serve these patients. We can convert additional isolation rooms into Ebola-ready rooms as well if necessary.

In the rooms we’ve added extra electrical capacity in case the patient needs intensive care. Bellevue is also currently building a separate laboratory to handle blood work for patients. Putting blood samples in with regular lab equipment will contaminate the existing laboratory.

The hospital is particularly well suited due to its long history of being on the front lines of epidemics and emerging public health threats. That includes managing an isolation unit for diseases such as tuberculosis for many years with support from and collaboration with the city health department……
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"As part of the New York governor’s Ebola preparedness plan, two ambulances are regularly stationed at JFK and Newark airports, the city’s transit authority was provided with protective gear and training, and unannounced drills are being conducted at airports, college campuses and in subways. The governor designated eight hospitals in the state to handle Ebola patients, including Bellevue.

What Makes a Hospital

Doctor at New York hospital tests positive for Ebola virus | World news | theguardian.com

[cologal]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Oh, really?? "There was no place to take her" because of what Reagan did 34 years ago??…..

(….never mind Bellevue Hospital 15 miles away or 5 minutes by helicopter, where they were already treating the physician with ebola and it was already a designated "Ebola Ready" hospital:

"Oct. 23, 2014 -- Bellevue Hospital is one of eight hospitals in New York State that Gov. Andrew Cuomo has designated as “Ebola ready.” The facility will care for confirmed cases from any of the 11 public hospitals in the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation (HHC) and any suspected cases among patients who fly into John F. Kennedy or LaGuardia airports……"

What makes Bellevue Hospital “Ebola ready”?
In Bellevue there are four rooms ready to receive potential Ebola patients. These rooms were originally regular isolation rooms but have been fitted to better serve these patients. We can convert additional isolation rooms into Ebola-ready rooms as well if necessary.

In the rooms we’ve added extra electrical capacity in case the patient needs intensive care. Bellevue is also currently building a separate laboratory to handle blood work for patients. Putting blood samples in with regular lab equipment will contaminate the existing laboratory.

The hospital is particularly well suited due to its long history of being on the front lines of epidemics and emerging public health threats. That includes managing an isolation unit for diseases such as tuberculosis for many years with support from and collaboration with the city health department……
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"As part of the New York governor’s Ebola preparedness plan, two ambulances are regularly stationed at JFK and Newark airports, the city’s transit authority was provided with protective gear and training, and unannounced drills are being conducted at airports, college campuses and in subways. The governor designated eight hospitals in the state to handle Ebola patients, including Bellevue.

What Makes a Hospital

Doctor at New York hospital tests positive for Ebola virus | World news | theguardian.com

If all that you posted were true then how did this nurse who landed a Newark Airport end up in an unheated tent with a porta potty? Perhaps they really weren't ready when they imposed this ill fated quarantine.

As for my post I worked at the US Public Health Service Hospital on Staten Island, in fact it was my internship. They did have a quarantine station there which was used right after I finished...I believe there was an issue with some passengers from India. President Reagan did close all these hospitals and the quarantine stations. That is just a statement of fact.

[Schaumburger]

From NBC news website:
Tuesday, Oct 28, 2014 • Updated at 1:02 PM CDT Dallas nurse Amber Vinson, the second health care worker to contract Ebola after treating Thomas Eric Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, has recovered from the potentially deadly virus and was discharged from Emory University Hospital in Atlanta Tuesday.

"I’m so grateful to be well and first and foremost, I want to thank God," Vinson said. "I sincerely believe that with God all things are possible."

Vinson, 29, entered the room to a round of applause and was introduced by Dr. Bruce Ribner, assistant professor of medicine and a specialist in infectious disease and internal medicine at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta.

In a short statement, Vinson thanked her family, doctors and caretakers, including Fort Worth Dr. Kent Brantley and missionary Nancy Writebol, both who donated plasma, while asking that "we not lose focus on the thousands of families who continue to labor under the burden of this disease in West Africa."

Vinson took no questions and asked for privacy for she and her family after they return to Texas.

"My family and I would like to thank many people whose prayers have helped sustain us. As we head back home to Texas, we are grateful and we respectfully ask for the privacy my family and I need at this time."

[blueash]

Read through the posts in this thread. See the distrust, the government is lying to us, the CDC is clueless, it is going to spread so easily.

Well, as of today there are no Ebola cases in the US. The systems in place and the responses of government were completely successful. There were zero cases of spread by incidental contact. There was no need to lock people up as those who were not quarantined just subjected to twice daily temperature checks did not spread disease. The panic inducing talking heads on CNN and FOX were wrong in their dire predictions. The medical community and the WHO experts were right.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

Read through the posts in this thread. See the distrust, the government is lying to us, the CDC is clueless, it is going to spread so easily.

Well, as of today there are no Ebola cases in the US. The systems in place and the responses of government were completely successful. There were zero cases of spread by incidental contact. There was no need to lock people up as those who were not quarantined just subjected to twice daily temperature checks did not spread disease. The panic inducing talking heads on CNN and FOX were wrong in their dire predictions. The medical community and the WHO experts were right.

I wouldn't be so hard on TOTV posters at all. The media, who by the way was asked by the White House to tone it down, whipped everyone into a frenzy.

That along with the fact this was scary...Ebola reaching our shores....there was a natural reaction which is understandable.

I hope your confidence is rewarded but find no fault in the concern expressed.

Just asking this question which is non related to this specific thread but relates to another active thread on net neutrality....

Wonder how much we would even know about what was going on....I mean via the internet on this with net neutrality....that request from the Government, I THINK, could have just been a directive ! Just testing this...still trying to get my head around net neutrality and this seems like a subject (EBOLA) that might fit into the discussion.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

Read through the posts in this thread. See the distrust, the government is lying to us, the CDC is clueless, it is going to spread so easily.

Well, as of today there are no Ebola cases in the US. The systems in place and the responses of government were completely successful. There were zero cases of spread by incidental contact. There was no need to lock people up as those who were not quarantined just subjected to twice daily temperature checks did not spread disease. The panic inducing talking heads on CNN and FOX were wrong in their dire predictions. The medical community and the WHO experts were right.

Whoa. IN spite of the government we are o.k. We are o.k. solely because Emory University figured out how to treat people with Ebola. I wouldn't trust any person in Washington any further than I could throw a Petri dish on THIS subject, Ebola. We need a surgeon general and what happened to the lawyer who was placed in charge? You oversimplify Paul. It was a dog and pony show that blessedly turned out o.k.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Rags123

I wouldn't be so hard on TOTV posters at all. The media, who by the way was asked by the White House to tone it down, whipped everyone into a frenzy.

That along with the fact this was scary...Ebola reaching our shores....there was a natural reaction which is understandable.

I hope your confidence is rewarded but find no fault in the concern expressed.

Just asking this question which is non related to this specific thread but relates to another active thread on net neutrality....

Wonder how much we would even know about what was going on....I mean via the internet on this with net neutrality....that request from the Government, I THINK, could have just been a directive ! Just testing this...still trying to get my head around net neutrality and this seems like a subject (EBOLA) that might fit into the discussion.

Rags. I agree.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by blueash

Read through the posts in this thread. See the distrust, the government is lying to us, the CDC is clueless, it is going to spread so easily.

Well, as of today there are no Ebola cases in the US. The systems in place and the responses of government were completely successful. There were zero cases of spread by incidental contact. There was no need to lock people up as those who were not quarantined just subjected to twice daily temperature checks did not spread disease. The panic inducing talking heads on CNN and FOX were wrong in their dire predictions. The medical community and the WHO experts were right.

There would be as many claims that the reason there has been to breakout is for the fact that quarantines, where they were used is the reason!!!!!

I love it when some shoot an arrow into the wall then paint a bullseye around it and claim success!!!!!