Initial reports I read were that the hazmat suit was fine and the mistake occured when it was being removed. Mistake in protocol of removing the suit and it brushed against her face. Tragic but a preventible mistake.

As for Washington leaders not doing their part, what do you personally think should be done? Very possible you have an idea they in Washington have not thought of at this point.

I don't think anyone can say definitively it can't be spread via air. There is another strain, Ebola Zaire, that can be spread airborne

Excellent post and spoken courageously without the PC so many others use at times

Limit public travel coming into USA, from infected areas.
Like every other country is doing...

Thank you nomosno - can't for the life of me understand what the hell is wrong with the current administration that doesn't see how this would easily contain the virus, protect the citizens of this country, and prevent all these crazy ideas of setting up specific ebola facilities in each state to the tune of God only knows how many billions of dollars.

Well duh.... Cdc has been really present in Dallas for the last 48 hours, according to the director in a press conference today.
As usual I was yelling at the television how he got there too late when he said somewhat abashedly that he wished cdc had gotten there sooner.
Duh and double duh...

What really scares me is that I keep being right, 10 to 30 days ahead of media and the government. And I don't know squat.

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I can't help but think back to the SARS epidemic, when it was initially announced that health authorities were on top of things and that there was little to worry about and then it progressed and we had increasing numbers of deaths including healthcare workers.[/QUOTE]

Reply With QuoteThe OP of this thread is from Canada where SARS did kill 44 people and there were 438 suspected cases.
Murray, I have also been thinking back to the SARS epidemic.
I had a family member in hospital with cancer during the worst of the SARS scare.
I remember how frightened we were to make daily visits to hospital. A lot of people wore masks when in public places.
After a few months, the Health Authorities were able to control it.
But it was a scary time.
And it pales in comparison to Ebola.

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From newspaper:
SARS claimed 44 lives in Canada. Globally, it is estimated that 916 people died, 11 per cent of the people who were infected. A total of 438 Canadians – a mix of probable and suspect cases – likely had SARS. The official WHO count only lists probable cases; its final tally suggests 8,422 people were infected with the disease.

I wasn't talking about Washington leaders "not doing their part". I was talking about them BLAMING the nurse herself for the problem, while that is still not determined, and she is the one where the rubber meets the road, not them.

If the hospital had been equipped to handle this epidemic the nurse would of had her hazmat suit sprayed and removed by another person ): ….I feel so bad for the nurse and her family. ):

If the hospital had been equipped to handle this epidemic, the emergency room nurse and doctors would not have sent a patient with 103 degree temperature home with a Tylenol after learning he had just been in Liberia.

This is a big hospital in a big city with excellent health care. Its scary to think what will happen at smaller hospitals in smaller or rural areas.

Not many hospitals are ready...and few are ready completely. We should lock our doors before it is too late. We need to protect all of US for once and quit thinking about being politically correct. This is no baby game.

Will you be at the TOTV gathering at crispers on Friday? Be nice to meet you!

My son lives five minutes away from where Nina Pham lives. The restaurants and stores they shop at are in that direction. Who knows where she was right before getting the fever. My son's friend actually met Nina over the summer. Too close for comfort.

And now a 2nd healthcare provided has tested positive. Wake up CDC and POTUS.

Boots on the ground in Africa for a medical crisis, but no never never in the middle east...
Medical personnel in A great Tx hospital are dominoes falling to ebola and we send TROOPS to AFRICA??!!
What the...

Oh, yes, we have something to worry about!

[Breaking News update 11:25 a.m.]

The second Dallas health care worker with Ebola was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday -- the day before she reported symptoms, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday. Because of the proximity in time between the Monday evening flight and the first report of her illness, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers on her flight -- Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday, the CDC said.

Why was she allowed to travel if she was being "monitored?"

Breaking news on Ebola outbreak 2014 - breakingnews.com


Here is a link to this latest breaking news about the flight of the second Ebola victim.

It has been my position from the first news report of Ebola expansion that the government should restrict travel to the US from West Africa . It has also been my position that the US should help containment in West African countries and not US. The US is spending huge amounts to establish the better protocols to treat Ebola here and Ebola cases will materialize.

Ebola virus on a continuum mutates and can pass from animal to human as did AIDS/HIV

I would like to meet you too, but I'm not sure about Friday. Enjoy yourself, you'll meet a lot of interesting characters.

CBS just said that the 2nd patient flew on plane the day before diagnosed.


Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. The flight landed at 8:16 p.m. CT.

Why did they make the announcement looking for the passengers? I'm sure that Homeland Security has the passenger list.

How about the people she interacted with in Cleveland and in the airport? Did she use the ladies room?

With apologies to Shakespeare, this is becoming a real "Comedy of Errors"

But there is nothing funny about it. I started the thread and I have sat and read as my original postulation was challenged by some. But now, the reason for my question is starting to become more of a concern.

It is more than evident how unprepared we are. How many more hospitals are lacking in adequate policies and procedures for dealing not only with suspected cases, but more importantly in treating confirmed cases and in protecting the healthcare staff who are looking after those who are hospitalized with this terrible disease.

Now we learn that a second nurse who was a close contact of Mr Duncan flew on an airplane, sat in an airport lounge and most likely mingled with others while in Cleveland.

The threat is no longer contained in Dallas and although there are no other cases so far outside of Dallas, the possibility is real.

So, my original question "Do we really have anything to worry about?" unfortunately has been answered and I am not liking the answer!

The hapless federal government, led by non-leaders, does not know what it’s doing, and they refuse to take even the most basic steps to protect us. It is a no-brainer to restrict travel from West African countries with the disease, yet we continue to get hot air, rationalizations and no action. The politically correct DoD appointees tell us climate change is the biggest threat while ISIS surrounds Baghdad … WTF?? The CDC tell us no problem, follow the “protocols” that exist on paper but not in practice, and then blame the nurse. Anyone who has any experience in large organizations (military, business etc) KNOWS that people never get it right the right time. Exception processing (ie doing something new) always requires time, training and leadership to get it right.

Yet, the people running the show fiddle away disengaged while Rome is now beginning to show signs of smoke. I think there is a building, slow-motion fury amongst the populace nationwide that will surprise people when it is finally uncorked. When people lose trust and feel unsafe, and as one example, they will throw out the entire elected and appointed leadership at the ballot box. They will keep doing it until they finally find leaders who will listen to our concerns and do the right thing. The single, most basic function of government is to protect the people from harm and, as of today, they are simply not cutting the mustard.

Is anyone in Washington DC truly paying attention to our concerns?

They are too concerned about being politically correct and have been lying for so long they no longer recognize the truth.

Or their agenda matches IS. Who knows?

Well said folks ...now we ,the people, need to be responsible for ourselves! Begin preparing for the worst ,you can never be too ready... Stocking up needed items for self ( family) quarantine is a good start, for the possibility of this calamity.
If you feel the sense that Florida, airports and other social gathering places in the state or nearby give you pause ,believe in your instincts,do not wait to be told by the media/ powers that be. It is my opinion they do not seem to be doing a good job of acting in the publics best interest.

Thank you for starting it and for stepping up with courage to move on.
We all learn if we are healthy. We only step out if we care.

Newest update says nurse DID have slight fever ON THE PLANE. I know, I know....not airborne , .... How many of you get sick from recirculated air on a plane? I don't get sick often, but I tend to get ill after flights from time to time

Pressed on the question, he said: "She should not have traveled on a commercial airliner" and noted that "from this moment forward we will make sure that any individual who is being monitored" should not travel on public transportation.

Frieden said she had an elevated temperature on the flight home to Dallas (99.5F) , but short of the fever threshold. The CDC believes she presents a low risk to fellow passengers, he said.

The virus is not contagious until a person starts showing symptoms, and the likelihood of it being passed on an airplane is considered extremely low.

Judge Jenkins said during the news conference that the 47 original "contact traces" who had contact with Duncan, who died a week ago from the disease, were nearing the end of the Ebola incubation period and were all symptom-free. The possibility that any of them would become symptomatic at this point, he said, is "extremely remote."

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said that cleaning at the newest patient's apartment was "done as soon as possible" and that the patient "lived alone and without pets."

As I mentioned on a new thread - doesn't it seem strange that none of the family members caring for Mr. Duncan before he was admitted to the hospital are symptom free, but the nurses that took precautions are infected? Someone mentioned a doctor said the longer you have ebola the more contagious you are - perhaps that explains things.

Agree with Lauren Sweeny,

Well it hasn't been likely that the Ebola virus can mutate to an airborne version for sometime it has been established that the Ebola virus can be carried in the air in the form of "droplets" So someone with Ebola that is near you, like on a plane, can sneeze in your direction and........................................

The government has always known this and they still did not institute travel restrictions.

An ABC/Washington Post poll indicates 67% of Americans want travel restrictions, that is no flights to the USA from any country experiencing outbreaks with the Ebola virus. if the USA continues with such cases that should include us until we get this disease under control

Holiday season is upon us and it is going to make people very nervous

consider further that in our local area schools are closing because of virus outbreaks. My point is that outbreaks are silent until they are not

2nd nurse is being flown to Atlanta
 

Amber Vinson, the second nurse from Dallas who has been diagnosed with Ebola, is being transported to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta which has more specialized facilities to treat this virus.

How hard would it have been (ooops…..I mean "How politically damaging would it have been") for CDC to have told the Dallas hospital workers in direct contact with Patient One's "explosive" and "projectile" body fluids that they are prohibited from taking public transportation for 21 days??

And can't those walk-thru body scanners at the airport calculate a person's body temperature?? Surely it calculates mass, weight, etc.

I agree with this. Many are accusing Washington and particularly the current administration, and more specifically the POTUS, for being PC. Many opinions have been stated as fact in this thread, but no proof of this has been offered.

Was air travel restricted during SARS? The H1N1 virus? I don't remember.

Ebola is potentially a lot more deadly than SARS or H1NI, particularly if Ebola mutates like one variant of it (Ebola Zaire) already has and is able to go airborne. Ebola has a death rate anywhere between 59-90% of those who get it as well.

Thus, here's a simple question for you ... why has "Washington" not yet suspended travel into the US from those countries in West Africa where Ebola has broken out?

Since you state it is a simple question, what do you believe is the answer?

Sorry, I asked CFrance ... it's her answer that I'm curious about thus I'll wait for her to respond

Per a recent report, she is a nurses aide, not an RN. Far less training and no business having direct patient care responsibilities with an Ebola patient.

In some cases it was, given the outbreak of SARS, there were geographic restrictions in place.

Some scientists believe Ebola has the potential to go airborne. See below article.

The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP; "SID-wrap") is a global leader in addressing public health preparedness and emerging infectious disease response. Founded in 2001, CIDRAP is part of the Academic Health Center at the University of Minnesota."

The full punchline from the CIDRAP report:

We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.
In other words, airborne.

Link to entire article:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-1...al-be-airborne