OK so the nurse was released. We don't know what the conditions of her release are yet. Confined to home. Very lawyerly avoides saying quarantined at home. But enough about the nurse's media moments of fame.

I have a real problem understanding what is attempting to be communicated. If the exposure is not a big deal, then why are hundreds of thousands of dollars and man hours being spent to find those who have come in contact with those who develop symptoms.

I do not mean to put anybody in a corner but what I still have not heard is it OK for an ebola exposed visitor to TV to walk, sit and be among us??

You are wrong. I recognized "the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki" as a necessary military decision and supported it, horrible as its effects were on the civilian population. It was the only way to bring about an end to the Pacific War which otherwise would have continued interminably.

And you completely missed the point I was making. I agree with you about "the luxury of hindsight"; however, I was focusing on the difference in treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of one enemy in contrast to the treatment of U.S. citizens who were descendants of the other two enemies. This has NOTHING to do with "the luxury of hindsight" and EVERYTHING to do with racism!

which all of the above has nothing to do with the thread's inquiry!!

The only way to avoid infected people at the squares, The Savannah Center, Arnold Palmer's, on the bus, or GarVinos is to stay away from those places; along with airplanes, cruise ships, doctor's offices, hospitals, nursing homes, any places that crowds gather.

A person can only be responsible for their own well-being and not for those around them.

So we are to completely change our way of life to accomodate the few violators? Plus permitting the infected to take over the entire environment of our lives.

Obviously those exposed and infected do not subscribe to being responsible for theirs or anybody elses well being.

It is very simple....do not let them in in the first place....like it or not!

The proof they say is in the pudding....

How many people in the general public here the US have contracted Ebola?

lol!!!! Why must you criminalize everything?

The doctor followed the CDC procedure for medical professional, the nurse was and is not symptomatic.

How many people in the US have contracted Ebola from the people, in your own words, those exposed and infected do not subscribe to being responsible?

The nurse is being released to travel home and remain there while she is monitored twice daily.

I am curious if and when the first person in "the general public" presents with symptoms if you will change your tune??? I prefer to be proactive rather then reactive.

I hear over and over again you all don't trust the CDC but the protocols they have put in place have worked so far. As no one in Duncan's family or anyone associated with the 2 nurses have been infected. They were monitoring around 100 people in Ohio.

The doctor in NYC was monitoring his temp twice a day and when it rose he was taken into isolation. So will anyone in NYC get the virus from the doctor being on a subway? Let's talk then.

the obvious lack of response to my hypothetical ebola exposed visitor to TV continues to be ignored.

Must be a reason for that.

Also criminalizing is in the eye of the beholder as I intended to criminalize nothing!

The CDC guidelines that have been in place from the being call for anyone exposed to an Ebola patient to be monitored for 21 days. That is what happened in Texas to the Duncan family, hospital personnel and to the people who had contact with the nurse that traveled to Ohio. I believe that everyone has been cleared.

None of these people were subjected to being placed in an unheated tent without indoor plumbing as was the nurse in New Jersey.

That should answer your question.....

When he first got to the hospital he was put in the general population at least according to that report.

You have no confidence in the CDC, the administration, the WHO, the NHI. But you seem to have very strong opinions about how this situation should be managed. So please, what are the sources you trust? Why do you trust them and not the ones you distrust? I don't believe that the CDC, the WHO, etc. would like to see an epidemic and that they give the best evidence based advice possible. They are not going to be infallible but they are going to be extremely careful. These dedicated professionals went into public health because they care about prevention and health. They are not in the business of selling fear nor misinformation. There have now been hundreds if not thousands of Americans casually exposed to Ebola virus. So far not a single one has gotten sick. At what point will this panic diminish? So your comment that people don't believe what those agencies produce is wrong. Some people do accept that their recommendations are well researched and evidence based. Including Blueash. Perhaps I am just a "muckety muck" too

How much fear do you have for people returning from the meningitis belt of sub-Saharan Africa? For returnees from SE Asia with exposure to untreatable TB (much easier to casually spread)? For people returning from Australia where they might be carrying Hendra virus?

This is all I have to say!

LOL!!! This is the best....

If you actually read ALL my posts I have mentioned several times I don't have the answers but am thinking out loud. I honestly don't trust anyone involved in politics to tell the truth about anything. And yes I believe the CDC etc. are involved in politics and being directed by the administration to say whatever it takes to prevent a panic. No, I don't want a panic, but I don't trust what they are saying.

"the protocols they have put in place have worked so far" Really - tell that to the two nurses that recently recovered from the Ebola they contracted following CDC guidelines.

Actually you've veered into the key issue perhaps without realizing it --- lack of trust.

:Screen_of_Death:uIf you want to argue FDR was wrong that's your right

Roger that re your Father-in-law at Hanford ... my Dad was USMC and would have been in Operation Olympic except for Trumans decision

The hospital did not train there personnel and they did not have all the equipment needed to handle this type of patient.

There was much more than the camps...property was stolen. While I understand the fear it was a terrible thing.

For my parents FDR was a GOD...

Good thing for your father that wasn't going to be fun. I was asked to make a sales call in Hiroshima a few years back....I really didn't want to go, it to was called off due to an earthquake.

Thank you for making a valid point - you can't depend on hospitals, doctors, or nurses to get things right so it is a problem. Actually at the point Duncan was admitted Dr. Fried was saying their garb was appropriate - turns out it wasn't and they have upped the anty - my point exactly - they are making it up as we go along and don't really know; therefore, I doubt what they tell me.

I think this is about Ebola - if you guys want to argue another point please do it in PMs.

Thanks

Geez I didn't think we were arguing but ok...

Thank God the little boy has so far tested negative - they will continue to monitor for a few days.

Actually, when I was a young naval officer, I visited Nagasaki on shore leave and got a lot of nasty looks. This was circa 1972. If my city had been A-bombed, I probably wouldn't' be too friendly either ... but OTOH, without that, a lot of us would not have been here at all because our Father's would have died on the beaches ... in huge numbers.

No, I got your point but you know what ... the racism argument gets really tiresome after a while. Get over your guilt and move on. Stuff happens and sometimes imperfect decisions are made. Besides, the Nisei got over it a long time ago and kicked German butt, and ended up as the most highly decorated outfit in the US military during WWII.

Ok back to Ebola …

Here’s what we ALL agree on:
- No one ever, ever wants to get Ebola
- The best thing to do is eliminate Ebola at the source in West Africa
- A smart strategy is to prevent Ebola from coming into the US vs reacting to it when it gets here

The argument is how we best accomplish this.
However, what’s confusing is …

-The DoD has just said troops returning will be quarantined for 21 days.

-Yet, some in the CDC and elsewhere say doctors returning from actually treating Ebola patients will not be quarantined. Or maybe they will. Or maybe not?

- Or, maybe the policy … which supposedly was put into place and all ready to go per public announcements a few weeks ago … is still garbled and changing so quickly that’s it’s difficult to keep up.

Other than that, it’s perfectly clear.

I started out by saying "Though this is a different subject...." If anyone is terribly offended and/or distracted by an unrelated aside during this intense discussion of ebola by another poster (above) and myself, I apologize for my part in it....

Oh, really?? "There was no place to take her" because of what Reagan did 34 years ago??….. :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

(….never mind Bellevue Hospital 15 miles away or 5 minutes by helicopter, where they were already treating the physician with ebola and it was already a designated "Ebola Ready" hospital:

"Oct. 23, 2014 -- Bellevue Hospital is one of eight hospitals in New York State that Gov. Andrew Cuomo has designated as “Ebola ready.” The facility will care for confirmed cases from any of the 11 public hospitals in the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation (HHC) and any suspected cases among patients who fly into John F. Kennedy or LaGuardia airports……"

What makes Bellevue Hospital “Ebola ready”?
In Bellevue there are four rooms ready to receive potential Ebola patients. These rooms were originally regular isolation rooms but have been fitted to better serve these patients. We can convert additional isolation rooms into Ebola-ready rooms as well if necessary.

In the rooms we’ve added extra electrical capacity in case the patient needs intensive care. Bellevue is also currently building a separate laboratory to handle blood work for patients. Putting blood samples in with regular lab equipment will contaminate the existing laboratory.

The hospital is particularly well suited due to its long history of being on the front lines of epidemics and emerging public health threats. That includes managing an isolation unit for diseases such as tuberculosis for many years with support from and collaboration with the city health department……
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"As part of the New York governor’s Ebola preparedness plan, two ambulances are regularly stationed at JFK and Newark airports, the city’s transit authority was provided with protective gear and training, and unannounced drills are being conducted at airports, college campuses and in subways. The governor designated eight hospitals in the state to handle Ebola patients, including Bellevue.

What Makes a Hospital

Doctor at New York hospital tests positive for Ebola virus | World news | theguardian.com

If all that you posted were true then how did this nurse who landed a Newark Airport end up in an unheated tent with a porta potty? Perhaps they really weren't ready when they imposed this ill fated quarantine.

As for my post I worked at the US Public Health Service Hospital on Staten Island, in fact it was my internship. They did have a quarantine station there which was used right after I finished...I believe there was an issue with some passengers from India. President Reagan did close all these hospitals and the quarantine stations. That is just a statement of fact.

Amber Vinson released from Emory University Hospital today
 

From NBC news website:
Tuesday, Oct 28, 2014 • Updated at 1:02 PM CDT Dallas nurse Amber Vinson, the second health care worker to contract Ebola after treating Thomas Eric Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, has recovered from the potentially deadly virus and was discharged from Emory University Hospital in Atlanta Tuesday.

"I’m so grateful to be well and first and foremost, I want to thank God," Vinson said. "I sincerely believe that with God all things are possible."

Vinson, 29, entered the room to a round of applause and was introduced by Dr. Bruce Ribner, assistant professor of medicine and a specialist in infectious disease and internal medicine at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta.

In a short statement, Vinson thanked her family, doctors and caretakers, including Fort Worth Dr. Kent Brantley and missionary Nancy Writebol, both who donated plasma, while asking that "we not lose focus on the thousands of families who continue to labor under the burden of this disease in West Africa."

Vinson took no questions and asked for privacy for she and her family after they return to Texas.

"My family and I would like to thank many people whose prayers have helped sustain us. As we head back home to Texas, we are grateful and we respectfully ask for the privacy my family and I need at this time."

Read through the posts in this thread. See the distrust, the government is lying to us, the CDC is clueless, it is going to spread so easily.

Well, as of today there are no Ebola cases in the US. The systems in place and the responses of government were completely successful. There were zero cases of spread by incidental contact. There was no need to lock people up as those who were not quarantined just subjected to twice daily temperature checks did not spread disease. The panic inducing talking heads on CNN and FOX were wrong in their dire predictions. The medical community and the WHO experts were right.

I wouldn't be so hard on TOTV posters at all. The media, who by the way was asked by the White House to tone it down, whipped everyone into a frenzy.

That along with the fact this was scary...Ebola reaching our shores....there was a natural reaction which is understandable.

I hope your confidence is rewarded but find no fault in the concern expressed.

Just asking this question which is non related to this specific thread but relates to another active thread on net neutrality....

Wonder how much we would even know about what was going on....I mean via the internet on this with net neutrality....that request from the Government, I THINK, could have just been a directive ! Just testing this...still trying to get my head around net neutrality and this seems like a subject (EBOLA) that might fit into the discussion.

Whoa. IN spite of the government we are o.k. We are o.k. solely because Emory University figured out how to treat people with Ebola. I wouldn't trust any person in Washington any further than I could throw a Petri dish on THIS subject, Ebola. We need a surgeon general and what happened to the lawyer who was placed in charge? You oversimplify Paul. It was a dog and pony show that blessedly turned out o.k.

Rags. I agree.

There would be as many claims that the reason there has been to breakout is for the fact that quarantines, where they were used is the reason!!!!!

I love it when some shoot an arrow into the wall then paint a bullseye around it and claim success!!!!!