I have advocated travel restrictions from day one. THAT means nothing, of course...I realize that.

We have been just a bit late on the last few world crisis situations and are paying for it, and everyone knows that is true. Please let us not be late on this if it expands.

One huge difference....on all those diseases that were used for an example, I think each had a vaccine....NONE for Ebola.

Why hasnt this been done...I pray that their wisdom has expanded a lot since our tardiness on other issues (which are going to cost lives in the world), and they are doing the right thing. When you hear about porous borders...when you hear about our lack of enforcing our law on the border....it just is scary. The last nurse was on a plane with over 100 people.....if ONE, JUST ONE had some sort of accidental contact and took it home to their family....infected a few, especially children...and away we go.
It could happen.

Would a travel ban from these countries work to protect us...who knows. I do know that most African countries have those bans already.

I do understand all the concerns about doing it.....I just do not like to hear that it is "off the table"....it is that verbage...or "not in consideration" that bothers me.

Seems to me, that if you were to over react, this would be the kind of situation to overreact with !

There is an article in the Wall Street Journal on the very subject of travel bans. The basic thought is that doing that alone is wrong and also provides a case about how it may hurt, but it gives a lot of statistics worked up....

"Professor Alex Vespignani, a physicist at Northeastern University in Boston, MA, has developed a computer model that predicts how air traffic affects the spread of Ebola."

It is a great article and worth reading.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamar.../ebola-travel/

What caught my eye....is this from the computer model....

"For most countries, the results indicate that an 80% air traffic reduction more than halves the probability of importing a case of Ebola. For the US, the risk is reduced from around 75% to 25%."

".....Nigeria, which has had one outbreak of 20 cases from a single importation from Liberia."

I am being positive with this situation and hoping and assuming this is a short term situation. If that is the case, the travel ban seems logical....I know it will not stop Ebola in its tracks, but saving just one case, if possible seems worth it.

And Rags, breaking news, CDC approved the 2nd nurse boarding the flight when she called first to ask....
Hard to stay positive when this is our best first response team. I do not see how we could perform any worse if we tried.

Hospitals are now asking for volunteers to be trained by CDC for possible patients that may cross into their hospital.

Airborne droplets from cough or sneeze can travel up to 30 feet away at speeds of up 100 miles per hour,( Google various sites on this some differ on speed and distance) theses droplets remain on surfaces. Keep in mind ...airplane,crowded transportation ,schools,cruises,public venues...
Now we have that scenario...think exponentially from patient zero to those they came in contact and who were near enough to have droplets inhaled or hand touched on surfaces. Medical personnel are supposed to be protected( hazmat) yet they became infected....WAY TOO MANY anomalies .What is really going ?? The powers that be are not prepared but due not want mass panic...The rich, or elite will use their resources to travel elsewhere without caution ....the general population will be on there own( think Katrina N.O. )

Not true. She is a licensed Registered Nurse in Texas according to the license verification here:

https://www.bon.texas.gov/licensure_verification.asp ("Verify License" Tab in right column)
(Name)
License Type: REGISTERED NURSE
Resides in: DALLAS TX 75206
Issued on: 8/22/2012
Licensure Status: CURRENT - 12/31/2014
Compact License: NO
Current Disciplinary Action: NONE

Because, as has been opined earlier, it won't work anyway. there are many ways to get around that suspension. As Madelaine Amee stated, the world is flat. Her opinion, and mine too.

I want to be careful with my wording on this. I already posted a long post on my feelings about a travel ban, and our recent "slowness" in responding to world crisis.

I guess I just want to say this...Ebola..no travel ban on the table and not being considerd....this past summer to put pressure on Israel to sign a treaty, we DID issue many travel warnings and restrictions..not sure about a full blown ban, but THAT merited this consideration and risk of Ebola does not.

Just a reminder that here in The Villages, more people have been arrested for having sex on a utility box than have died from Ebola in the entire country.

What kind of a comparison or statement is THAT??

I thought it obvious. We have almost 90 posts about something that is of no danger to any of us. A lot of,folks are spouting worst case scenarios, but so far ebola is statistically not dangerous to anyone here. You are about a million times more likely to die from heart disease or a car accident than Ebola, yet we appear to be more frightened of Ebola. Heck, the upcoming flu season is more dangerous to you. In the last three months that we have been worried about Ebola, 150,000 people have died of heart disease in this country. In the same time period, I think 2 people have died from Ebola in this country.

"It's of no danger to anyone here." Try telling that to the passengers on the flight from Cleveland to Dallas Monday night, the night before the 2nd nurse was diagnosed with Ebola. Try telling that to the virologists and infectious disease researchers/directors at the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, the director of which wrote this (excerpt):

"The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air. You can now get Ebola only through direct contact with bodily fluids. But viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.

If certain mutations occurred, it would mean that just breathing would put one at risk of contracting Ebola. Infections could spread quickly to every part of the globe, as the H1N1 influenza virus did in 2009, after its birth in Mexico.

Why are public officials afraid to discuss this? They don’t want to be accused of screaming “Fire!” in a crowded theater — as I’m sure some will accuse me of doing. But the risk is real, and until we consider it, the world will not be prepared to do what is necessary to end the epidemic.

In 2012, a team of Canadian researchers proved that Ebola Zaire, the same virus that is causing the West Africa outbreak, could be transmitted by the respiratory route from pigs to monkeys, both of whose lungs are very similar to those of humans. Richard Preston’s 1994 best seller “The Hot Zone” chronicled a 1989 outbreak of a different strain, Ebola Reston virus, among monkeys at a quarantine station near Washington. The virus was transmitted through breathing, and the outbreak ended only when all the monkeys were euthanized. We must consider that such transmissions could happen between humans, if the virus mutates…."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/op...out-ebola.html

Ebola nurse Am​ber Vinson called CDC several times before flying - CBS News

Scathing report of pathetic inadequacy. It is not so much ebola To be feared. We have clowns in charge of everything.

Apathy , can be dangerous to you,your family and the community you live in. Aesop fable about the grasshopper and the ant reminds one that being prepared is better than having to suffer for lack of preparedness . Caution is understandable , but the growing numbers of Ebola cases and the inability to control its spread indicates an issue that should not be downplayed or ignored as many in TV are writing in these post. Posable or probable,are words that describe the situation here in Florida. The fact remains this state is a tourist destination,( parks,cruising,retirees families visiting ,the Northerners escaping bad weather, and lastly the holidays are coming with high travel)
I do not mind if I have to " eat my words" or suffer someone saying" We told you so.." if this situation does not spread. My opinion , It is fine for me to have hurt feelings then be dead!

Well, that was definitive in that she called, so she is off the hook. What is wrong here is the 100.4 degree guideline. Who decided that, and why? If someone who worked with an ebola patient showed ANY fever, you would think they'd tell her to stay off an airplane.

And you have to wonder exactly how the CDC is "turning up the heat" on every hospital. Just saying "Be prepared" isn't going to cut it.

Barry. I don't understand your post.

AT THIS TIME, WE are relatively safe. But what if it was your daughter on that medical team, or what if you found you sat next to that nurse on her flight?

This is a disease if contracted has a 90% mortality rate. One that has no immunization and no treatment. The doctor that survived gave his blood to the woman that survived so it is possible that antibodies are the answer but to effectively make a treatment available to the masses is years away.

We have no crisis at this point, and that is the time to act, not when we have people entering hospitals with untrained teams and moving about spreading the disease before it becomes evident they are sick.

I am confused as to why those who are usually to the political left are the ones making light of it, joking about it and dismissing it.

Am I being not "cool" to worry about it? I sure as hell don't want to be "uncool".

Not directing this at you Barry, because I have the utmost respect for your intelligence, science and know you are both fair and kind.

I am really confused about why all people don't see that something unusual and difficult must be done NOW to save us from an epidemic of Ebola.

GG your sentiments are right on target with most rational thinking people. Those who make light are either too politically bent to think on their own, don't know enough to be concerned, playing macho or just plain dumb!!!

I couldn't open the link but thanks for the correction. At least 2 news sources were reporting what I stated.

Clowns in charge of everything is right. Now, 13 nurses from Cleveland Clinic and Metro health in Cleveland were on the infected nurse's flight on Friday, and there is another article about 5 nurses from Canton being on the flight too. They were put on paid leave by the hospitals.

What kind of a boob would approve that nurse to mingle at two airports, distant cities, and get on a jetliner twice?!?!

Cleveland Clinic, MetroHealth nurses on flight with Dallas Ebola patient, on paid leave | cleveland.com

The person in charge of Ebola crisis has NO medical background.
 

Lisa Monaco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would prefer a person with medical expertise.

At this time we have an acting surgeon general. The previous one quit last year.

An intersting and controlled response by Shep Smith regarding the Ebola situation: Non political also.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

Isn't that the truth! I am amazed, appalled and angry at the sheer incompetence. Or is it malfeasance? I don't know but I do know, in military terms, it is totally UNSAT!!!

These jokers are playing with fire. The Secretary of State is in a wad over global warming WTF, yet his Department continues ... as of today ... to issue about 100 visas per day to people in the 3 affected West African countries.

The de facto message is ... sure, come on over to America. We'd love to have you. Ebola, no problem. We'll give you free medical care too, just like we gave Mr. Duncan ...something like $500K. If you're not happy with our free medical care, no worries, because you can sue the hospital if you want. No problem either if you lie on your form to get in either because, after all, we are the most compassionate (dumbest) people ever in world history. If I live in West Africa, and think I have Ebola, guess where I'm going catch a plane to?

This is either monumentally bad judgment, or an incapacitating political correctness type ideology. Either way, it impacts us the citizens.

Time to fire the top leaders and keep doing this until we get the right men/women in charge. We need strong, competent leadership. Oops I almost forgot ... we don't have that do we?

Shep Smith being "Non political"……LOL…

The content of his message is largely accurate and I like his independent style on FNC.

But I think it's too soon to definitively proclaim the virus cannot be gotten from inhaling or wiping onto one's face airborne droplets sneezed onto a person crammed into the plane seat next to the infected person. The virologists' article I cited before in this thread says this virus mutates genetically every time it enters and goes out of an infected person, in very "sloppy" fashion.

Fever is the screening process used to find people entering the country thru airlines, and is the indicator used to allow the nurse to travel by air. But this New England Journal of Medicine journal report shows that 13% of ebola victims did not have fevers.

Still too much doubt to say "nothing to see here, folks…..just move along…."

"For public health workers screening more than 1,000 air travelers who arrive each week in the United States from Ebola-stricken West Africa, one symptom above all others is supposed to signal danger: fever.

So long as an individual's temperature does not exceed 101.5 degrees and there are no visible symptoms of Ebola, health authorities say it should be assumed the person is not infectious.

Yet the largest study of the current outbreak found that in nearly 13% of "confirmed and probable" cases in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and elsewhere, those infected did not have fevers……"

Ebola research: Fever not a surefire sign of infection - LA Times

General Kelly is the 4-Star, chief of US Southern Command ... he recently said the following:

"The Pentagon’s top commander in South America has warned that if Ebola surfaces in Central America or the Caribbean, there will be a stampede of people heading north across the Rio Grande to the U.S. to escape the disease.

“If it breaks out, it’s literally, ‘Katie bar the door,’ and there will be mass migration into the United States,” Marine General John Kelly, chief of the U.S. Southern Command, said Tuesday. “They will run away from Ebola, or if they suspect they are infected, they will try to get to the United States for treatment.”

General Warns of 'Mass Migration' to U.S. if Ebola Comes to Americas

[QUOTE=TexaninVA;953883]General Kelly is the 4-Star, chief of US Southern Command ... he recently said the following:

"The Pentagon’s top commander in South America has warned that if Ebola surfaces in Central America or the Caribbean, there will be a stampede of people heading north across the Rio Grande to the U.S. to escape the disease.

“If it breaks out, it’s literally, ‘Katie bar the door,’ and there will be mass migration into the United States,” Marine General John Kelly, chief of the U.S. Southern Command, said Tuesday. “They will run away from Ebola, or if they suspect they are infected, they will try to get to the United States for treatment.”

That is a very possible event. Since you like to pose questions to others - I would like to hear your solution that would prevent such a "mass migration" that would be feasible right now. We agree, of course, that a high fence could be put all along the southern border but that would take a long time to construct and still would be permible in many areas. What else? Thousands of National Guard on 24/7 duty with shoot to kill orders (since putting illegals in detention is not an option)?

Please reply with your solutions.

US Monitors Health Care Worker Aboard Cruise Ship - ABC News

Again, no symptoms, but why wasn't she required to stay in Dallas

[quote=Sandtrap328;953890]Please reply with YOUR solutions.

Personally I would rather see the National Guard on the borders if needed than sent to Africa to fight Ebola as proposed yesterday by POTUS.

the need for details has always been both a blessing and at times a curse for me all my life.

I for one would like to know exactly what is the mission of these troops?
What is the responsibility of the rank and file?
How long of a tour is it?
What constitutes success?
What are the criteria for exit scenario?
What procedures are in place for when one of our own becomes infected?

One does not just order in 3000+ service men and women without knowing AT LEAST the above. It is called planning and following up and these are not strengths of the current administration repeatedly demonstrated in any number of crises in the recent past.

I am concerned for those being sent to Africa and who knows they may well be needed here at home in the near future!!

The will make you feel better about those saving us from ebola.


‘Clipboard Dude’ Who Helps Ebola Patient Aboard a Flight Sets Twitter Ablaze – But There’s a Reason For It

It has just been reported that President Obama will appoint Ron Klain to the position of Ebola Tsar.

Does he have a medical background?

No, all political

He will tell us who to blame

No, his education is in law. He graduated from Georgetown University and Harvard Law School and has held many political positions.

Ron Klain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I read that too. But what I think we need is a person who knows medicine and knows how this disease is spread and has run a large medical facility like Walter Reed. Georgetown and Harvard are quite impressive, but what we don't need is another danged lawyer-politician who isn't quite clear where his fibula is.

EBola Czar.?
And his qualifications are?
His responsibilities are?
His authority is what?
His assignment is to do what?

Where is the surgeon general? Oh, that job has been vacant for how many months? That should be an indicator of the priority.

Based on past performance of czars I remain cynical and suspect.

The surgeon general position has been vacant because Senator Rand Paul blocked President Obama's nominee last February because of pressure from the NRA. Google has many hits on this information.

Ron Klain's job will be as manager of all the government agencies involved in the Ebola virus outbreak. No one has suggested that he would be treating infected patientsl