[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

But many drive more than 10 or 15 miles and have the heater on and handle the traffic quite well. Two articles out of Chicago are worth paying attention to but there would be many more articles if the situation was truly that bad.



Below are three articles saying there was no problem with the wind turbines in TX this year and another saying that lack of winterization (poor planning) was the problem in 2021. Guess what wind farm wind turbines sub zero weather: They produce electricity.
How Texas Kept the Lights On in the Recent Deep Freeze - The New York Times
How the Texas grid held strong amid freeze and fears of blackout
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ze/ar-AA1n7e4n
Why Did Wind Turbines Freeze in Texas When They Work in the Arctic?

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...ad-of-recycled

Low milage EVs writing off by insurance.

[biker1]

Huh? What Hertz actually announced was a 1/3 reduction in the EV fleet. That means they are keeping 2/3 of their EV fleet. You can google this stuff instead of making bogus assumptions from headlines. Rental car companies adjust their fleets on a nearly continuous basis.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Pretty bad when hertz gives up on them. Maybe cause the were sending them out not charged up and customers had enough having to look for charger after few miles wasting hours waiting to get to there destinations.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So what saying they only talk bout the pros and not the cons?

Just like some on this board only talk about the cons and not the pros. One difference is they use first-hand reports rather than rumor and propaganda and speculation.

Point to some articles that talk about all the EVs being towed during that particular event.

Point to some articles about wind farms going offline due to cold weather.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Go ahead drive take trip way up north. Try find charging stations in sub zero temps. By time you get charge and heat car up you’re not going very far before be looking for charger.

All true. But it is a but more complicated than that. What a lot of people don't realize is that, in extreme cold, things happen to an EV that makes powering them back up a whole lot more complicated than doing it in, say, balmy Florida temps.

For one thing, batteries just don't charge as well in the cold. That goes for ALL batteries, not just EV batteries. But lead-acid batteries, even if nearly depleted, can still take a charge when cold. Not as much as if they were warm, but enough to get you up and going. EV batteries won't. They have to be preconditioned in extremely cold weather before they'll take on more charge. If the driver doesn't precondition them before getting to the charging station, the driver has to wait for a half-hour, give or take, for the station charger to warm up the battery to the point where it WILL take a charge, and even then the charging process may take much longer than normal. Sitting at a station for an hour and a half getting a charge, with a line of folks behind you getting progressively more irritated, is a whole lot different than swinging into a gas station off the freeway and fueling up the Family Truckster with about 20 gallons of gasoline.

EVs are a reasonable option in Florida. Up north, they're far more trouble than they're worth.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

All true. But it is a but more complicated than that. What a lot of people don't realize is that, in extreme cold, things happen to an EV that makes powering them back up a whole lot more complicated than doing it in, say, balmy Florida temps.

For one thing, batteries just don't charge as well in the cold. That goes for ALL batteries, not just EV batteries. But lead-acid batteries, even if nearly depleted, can still take a charge when cold. Not as much as if they were warm, but enough to get you up and going. EV batteries won't. They have to be preconditioned in extremely cold weather before they'll take on more charge. If the driver doesn't precondition them before getting to the charging station, the driver has to wait for a half-hour, give or take, for the station charger to warm up the battery to the point where it WILL take a charge, and even then the charging process may take much longer than normal. Sitting at a station for an hour and a half getting a charge, with a line of folks behind you getting progressively more irritated, is a whole lot different than swinging into a gas station off the freeway and fueling up the Family Truckster with about 20 gallons of gasoline.

EVs are a reasonable option in Florida. Up north, they're far more trouble than they're worth.

Our car dealer strongly suggests AC garages, because heat in FL effects battery life. Even at purchase of something as inexpensive as our electric mower, we were warned not to leave batteries in the FL garage. Charge and store in climate control house.or battery life will be half. So not sure about EV auto in heat, only have experience in cold. So far our family have traded in before batteries were in need of replacement.

We are swapping kids EV for our 7 person suv for the summer will see how TV heat effects the EV batteries.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Agree. I really don't get this obsession with dissing EV's. It's like these people feel sooo threatened. Maybe it's because it represents change, something different than what they grew up with and they hate change of any kind? Or is it because the gasoline industry pays for PR to stigmatize alternate energy sources and people choose to believe these pundits - unreliable sources that basically spew garbage? Or is it because some people somehow equate EV's with climate change, and again, disregarding science, they are climate change deniers? Whatever the reason, these people are haters and have an agenda. Good luck with that, EV's are here to stay, which shouldn't be a problem. You can still have your gasoline powered car, there is no reason the two can't co-exist. Enough already.

I started this thread and was genuinely surprised to find out that EVs have a difficult time in cold weather. I guess I've been living under a rock because I had never heard of that before. I saw a segment on the news and that was the first time I found out the problems with EVs with weather extremes.

As an aside, I have an electric golf cart and I love it.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The two claims were the large number of recent reports of EV problems in Chicago and "Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries. "

- I noted that while there were a large number of reports, including the link you provided, they all appear to be based on two unique reports. Rather than going out and finding the problem for themselves, most (all?) of the stories today are just regurgitating those two reports. So, as I asked in post #2: Lazy reporting or not as much of a story as the press is making it out to be?

- As for "all the EV's that got stranded," I still cannot find one article to support that assertion. There likely were EV's stuck in the traffic jam, right next to the ICE vehicles. There may have been EV's that ran out of charge, right next to the ICE vehicles that ran out of gas. There may have been abandoned EV's that needed to be towed, just as there were ICE vehicles that needed to be towed. But what I cannot find is any confirmation of "all the EV's that got stranded" due to "depleted batteries."

Do EVs get less mileage out of a charge in the cold weather? Yes. Do ICE vehicles run as well in the cold weather as they do in the warm weather? No, their gas mileage goes down too. Are EVs more impacted than ICE vehicles? Possibly, but I haven't seen any data to show one way or another.

Are there stories of EVs having problems getting a spot to charge in Chicago in the cold weather this month? Absolutely. Is it better to have an ICE vehicle in Chicago this month? It sort of looks that way based on only those two articles. But does anyone remember trying to get gas during the early part of COVID, during the pipeline issue in spring 2021, or during the last two hurricanes forecast for Florida? During those times it would have been much better to have an EV.

I had no idea what an ICE vehicle was. I Googled it. I learn so much by reading this forum.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Jim 9922

During the recent "deep freeze" I heard about a probable Chicago Area survey statistic: "95% of electric cars are still on the road. The remaining 5% made it home."

That is too funny. Good one!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Just like some on this board only talk about the cons and not the pros. One difference is they use first-hand reports rather than rumor and propaganda and speculation.

Point to some articles that talk about all the EVs being towed during that particular event.

Point to some articles about wind farms going offline due to cold weather.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...ad-of-recycled

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I had no idea what an ICE vehicle was. I Googled it. I learn so much by reading this forum.

Internal combustion engine. You know like 95% on road.

[mtdjed]

Recently flew to San Diego and toured north to Capistrano, Laguna Beach and then to Palm Springs, La Quinta and Salton Sea. Rented a car from Hertz with option for EV vs ICE. Chose ICE because not familiar with EV and did not want to have to plan for charging. As it was, there were no charging stations at the hotels we booked. Much of our touring was in rural areas in the desert and around the Salton Sea. Stopped for fuel twice before flying back from Palm Springs airport. Great trip. EV may have worked but didn't need to include the new learning experience.

Nearing 80 and owning two ICE vehicles (one with 30K miles) averaging 35 MPG on trips, I quite frankly don't see a need for a new car, but if I did buy, it would likely be a HYBrid, avoiding premium for EV models.

Only point is that the EV market is not attractive to me and I suspect others.

I'll let the Jetsons work on the EV learning experience.

[Southwest737]

[QUOTE=tophcfa;2292300]During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.[/QUOTE

Fake news

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

But many drive more than 10 or 15 miles and have the heater on and handle the traffic quite well. Two articles out of Chicago are worth paying attention to but there would be many more articles if the situation was truly that bad.



Below are three articles saying there was no problem with the wind turbines in TX this year and another saying that lack of winterization (poor planning) was the problem in 2021. Guess what wind farm wind turbines sub zero weather: They produce electricity.
How Texas Kept the Lights On in the Recent Deep Freeze - The New York Times
How the Texas grid held strong amid freeze and fears of blackout
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ze/ar-AA1n7e4n
Why Did Wind Turbines Freeze in Texas When They Work in the Arctic?

Wind power is not reliable which is why you need idle generating stations in standby which significantly raises the costs of electricity.

[skippy05]

I've owned and got rid of 2 EVs. These cold weather issues are real. In cold they also won't accept a charge. In cold the displayed available range read out is wrong. In cold the burn down rate of range is 3x normal. Insane worrisome cars.

[ROCKETMAN]

I think the notion that by 2033 all vehicles sold must be ev.wont happen. Even if it does even going out to 2040, half of vehicles around will still be gas given many people keep their cars for 10 years