[Gracelane]

We have an EV and it’s perfect for staying close to home but driving a couple hours from home I don’t like because of EV charger scarcity. Went to St Augustine over Christmas and finding a working, available charger was not fun. Then it slow charged and it was really relatively cold out and dark while I was trying to figure out using a different type of charger that charged by the minutes. I think the best car is a hybrid that recharges itself when you drive it. I rented a hybrid in Colorado from Denver to Boulder and only spent $9.61 for gas the 2 days I was there. Our EV does regenerative breaking but not like a hybrid recharges itself. When our lease is up, Definitely want to switch. First world problems, whatever! Lol

[Southwest737]

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

[Gracelane]

Originally Posted by biker1

Huh? What Hertz actually announced was a 1/3 reduction in the EV fleet. That means they are keeping 2/3 of their EV fleet. You can google this stuff instead of making bogus assumptions from headlines. Rental car companies adjust their fleets on a nearly continuous basis.

Yes! This^^^ Rented a “Manager’s surprise vehicle” but if I ever see that “Manager”, Grrr! It was a little Polestar and probably fine in its own backyard but Not in a rental car company where it travels miles on miles then needs an unoccupied, working generic car charger before returning to the airport car rental. I Hated it! There was a Very sweet couple next to me to help me figure out how to charge this car. NOT Intuitive at all! And took about 3 hours in the 100 plus degree weather because I sat there with the A/C on because every 15 or so minutes you have to restart the charging process all over again from hanging up the charger on its hook to swiping your card all over again…first world problems…we’re blessed regardless! (Another thread could be “Is irregardless a word?? Isn’t that a double negative?”)

[Gracelane]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Our car dealer strongly suggests AC garages, because heat in FL effects battery life. Even at purchase of something as inexpensive as our electric mower, we were warned not to leave batteries in the FL garage. Charge and store in climate control house.or battery life will be half. So not sure about EV auto in heat, only have experience in cold. So far our family have traded in before batteries were in need of replacement.

We are swapping kids EV for our 7 person suv for the summer will see how TV heat effects the EV batteries.

Makes total sense. In Texas, our batteries wore out fast but in Las Vegas, the heat just sucked them up through a sippy straw. Once, and the last time that happened was on a highway off ramp in 108 degrees in a gas car. Literally Uncool. Car went dead! It was old-2006 til 2019 RIP

[Mrmean58]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal for cold weather climates.

Old news. This issue came to light last year during the winter storms.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.

Stranded gas burners too. To have heat in a gas powered, you have to run the engine and consume fuel. In both cases, I imagine quite a few drivers entered the fray low on fuel. Having said that might make me sound like an EV advocate. Nope. My will will specify that my hearse must be V8 powered Detroit steel.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Southwest737

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

Norway is NOT even 4% the size of the U.S. Norway is finding out that their push for EVs has been somewhat of a disaster, because what they really want is a reduction in cars on the road. Something like 2% of the country's budget is going to subsidies for those purchasing EVs which has turned out to be a redistribution of tax revenues to the rich, because they are the only ones that can afford them in Norway.
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. In this case, the other side of the ocean. Remember, the U.S. is about 30 times larger than Norway. Size does matter...

[Janie123]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I've seen the recent articles and they sound bad. But I noticed there seems to be only two articles that get reprinted over and over. Lazy reporting or not as much of a story as the press is making it out to be?

The three top users of EVs in Europe are Norway, Iceland, and Sweden - not particularly temperate climates. Maybe we, either individual owners or the country as a whole, are doing it wrong.

Norway is rethinking about EVs as more and more low income households cannot afford a car and tax subsidies are going to the higher income households that are buying more cars per household than before 2010 when the big push started. Also cities like Oslo although in the north have temperate climates unlike -20 deg in the US Midwest. Average temps in Oslo is around freezing in January.

Why Norway is rethinking its reliance on electric cars - Vox

[Blackbird45]

Look I believe the EVs are in our future, are their problems with them at the moment you bet there is, but million if not billions are being spent to correct them.
As far as batteries losing the capacity of holding a charge in cold weather, the media has been all over this for years.
If you bought an EV and were unaware this was an issue, your only mode of transportation should be a bicycle.

[Marine1974]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Three kids all have one EV

one in St Paul, heated garage, because it’s ST Paul, EV no issues winter or summer, second car is a Benz.

One in MI heated garage, EV lives among the 4 Rovers, no issues winter or

One in Louisville, EV and a Beemer, share AC garage No issues using Ev winter or summer, but AC could extend batteries.

All drive less than 10 miles to work, but may return multiple times in 24 hour. EV traded in before batteries need replacement. But they are diehard EV users, and will replace with same.

I guess my question is what do they do with the EV batteries when they outlived their life span , landfills? And how long do the average EV batteries last ?
You are not refuting the problems with charging stations not operating in the very cold weather in Chicago are you ?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

I guess my question is what do they do with the EV batteries when they outlived their life span , landfills? And how long do the average EV batteries last ?
You are not refuting the problems with charging stations not operating in the very cold weather in Chicago are you ?

I can't remember the source but a few weeks back I recall reading that the "leftovers" from a dead EV battery negatively affect the environment for something like 100 years or so after the battery itself wears out. Can't remember the specifics though...

[iafriedman]

[QUOTE=coffeebean;2292285]Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal

We don't live in cold weather. The weather here is perfect for Electric Vehicles

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Janie123

Norway is rethinking about EVs as more and more low income households cannot afford a car and tax subsidies are going to the higher income households that are buying more cars per household than before 2010 when the big push started. Also cities like Oslo although in the north have temperate climates unlike -20 deg in the US Midwest. Average temps in Oslo is around freezing in January.

Why Norway is rethinking its reliance on electric cars - Vox

I read that article - the only one I could find with anything negative to say about the Norway experience.

Norway's govt appears to be rethinking EVs due to their overwhelming success. Because EVs are so popular, people are buying cars rather than using public transportation. Since Norway's official plan now seems to be to get its people out of cars and onto bikes or public transportation, the very successful switch to EVs has become a problem. To me, this says more about the govt of Norway than about the viability of EVs.

As for temperature - to me, the jury is still out. The temps in Oslo are fairly temperate? The temps in the top 20 largest cities in the US, including Chicago, are no less temperate. If EVs successfully handle the weather in Oslo then they should also successfully handle the weather in those 20 cities.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Southwest737

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

They don’t have to drive that far.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=iafriedman;2292709]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal

We don't live in cold weather. The weather here is perfect for Electric Vehicles

We aren’t the majority of population.