[Bay Kid]

I'll keep my hybrid Toyota with a range of 550 miles. If you gave me an EV I would sell it tomorrow.

[Toymeister]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

I'll keep my hybrid Toyota with a range of 550 miles. If you gave me an EV I would sell it tomorrow.

Ill keep my plug in hybrid toyota. My last tank gave me 1,763 miles. If you gave me a hybrid i would sell it today for a plug in hybrid.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

I'll keep my hybrid Toyota with a range of 550 miles. If you gave me an EV I would sell it tomorrow.

I loved my Prius!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Byte1

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They aren't ready yet.
ICEs are still better than or equal to EVs in almost every way. If the EVs were so great then logical citizens would jump on the opportunity to own one.
EVs are more expensive, even with tax credit from the Feds. Middle to lower level earners can't really consider the expense.
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Most of your points show your bias and are easily debated. Since those debates have already covered pages in other threads, I won't rehash them here.

On the few points above:

EVs are very much ready today as shown by the number of happy owners driving them today.

Logical citizens will utilize EVs where they make sense. Other posters in this thread have explained why an EV is the perfect choice for their needs. A PHEV would be ideal for my next vehicle and a hybrid was ideal for my previous vehicle. But yes, for those who need/choose to travel long distances, electric-only vehicles are not the best choice.

EVs are not more expensive when comparing apples to apples. Yes, the Tesla is more expensive than a Toyota Corolla but the Tesla is a more luxurious vehicle than the Corolla. Compare the Tesla with a BMW and the price difference goes away. Add in real-world maintenance costs and the EV might even be less expensive than the ICE vehicle. Middle lower earners cannot afford the Tesla but neither can they afford the BMW - apples to apples again.

EVs are likely to be the vehicle of the future. We may not be in the early-adopter stage now but we are not far from it. The gasoline infrastructure took decades to become what it is today, the EV infrastructure is expanding quickly. There may be reasons not to buy an EV today but those reasons may not hold up in the near future.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by biker1

The best selling car in the world, and the US, is a Tesla Model Y.

Accordint to Statista the best selling car in the world was a Toyota Corolla, followed by the RAV4, Tesla Model Y is in the top 10, but not the best selling car in the world, or just the USA. (In the USA the top sellers are pickup trucks, the Ford F series & the Chevy Silverado, but just looking at cars, that would be Toyota again; The RAV4, Camry, & Honda CRV.)

Best-selling car models worldwide 2022 | Statista.

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[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Accordint to Statista the best selling car in the world was a Toyota Corolla, followed by the RAV4, Tesla Model Y is in the top 10, but not the best selling car in the world, or just the USA. (In the USA the top sellers are pickup trucks, the Ford F series & the Chevy Silverado, but just looking at cars, that would be Toyota again; The RAV4, Camry, & Honda CRV.)

Best-selling car models worldwide 2022 | Statista.

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For my second link it says Access denied, but clicking on the link works.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by biker1

EVs are hardly a novelty. The best selling car in the world, and the US, is a Tesla Model Y. Nobody is forcing an EV on you. ICE cars will still be around for probably the next 20-30 years, or more. You might not find a lot of choices in new ICE cars in 10-15 years or so but the used market will still be there. Buy what you want. There is no need to try to convince others what to do or try to explain your actions.

That's a useless stat...

Yes, when compared to the Toyota Corolla, they might sell more Tesla Model Ys, but when you add in all of the other manufacturer's vehicles comparable to the Corolla, it isn't close... Even when you add in the other EVs comparable to the Model Y...

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

That's a useless stat...

Yes, when compared to the Toyota Corolla, they might sell more Tesla Model Ys, but when you add in all of the other manufacturer's vehicles comparable to the Corolla, it isn't close... Even when you add in the other EVs comparable to the Model Y...

Excellent point.

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by tvmurray

My wife and I went to Vermont to enjoy the colors and cooler weather.
When we arrived the car rental company said they only had a Chevy Bolt EV. I tried to see if they had anything else and the answer was no.
We took off and when we crossed into Vermont we stopped at the welcome center and asked about charging stations and the guy laughed at us. He said he only had a list of 14 stations in the state.
We spent the the next day trying to go from charger to charger. 195 Mike range and over an hour to get to 80% charge. We lost two days watching the power display and could not focus on the scenery.
On day two we made it to Montpelier which was supposed to have 3 stations. 1st didn't work, second had unattended vehicle plugged in, and third was destroyed like someone took a hammer to it.
35 miles of charge left and 40 miles to nearest airport we took off, turned of radio and heater and pulled into car rental with 1 mile left.
Totally screwed 2 full days of vacation time. Don't fall for this EV crap. They are a joke and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars.

EV vs ICE arguments aside, I will ask the question again.

tvmurray, Please tell me: WHICH RENTAL AGENCY FORCED YOU TO TAKE AN EV?

I REALLY want to avoid that company, since I will be renting a car this Christmas to drive back from Chicago!

[biker1]

No, it's not.

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Excellent point.

[bopat]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Accordint to Statista the best selling car in the world was a Toyota Corolla, followed by the RAV4, Tesla Model Y is in the top 10, but not the best selling car in the world, or just the USA. (In the USA the top sellers are pickup trucks, the Ford F series & the Chevy Silverado, but just looking at cars, that would be Toyota again; The RAV4, Camry, & Honda CRV.)

Best-selling car models worldwide 2022 | Statista.

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That's 2022. The link I posted was 2023 so far. First sentence in the article linked:
"For the first time ever, the best-selling car in the world is electric. As of this writing in July 2023, the Tesla Model Y has just edged out the Toyota Corolla for the top spot in new car sales worldwide."

[Topspinmo]

Hertz at some places renting cars half charged, and no Tesla adapter. So you immediately have to look for charging station (CS). With tesla CSs out of equation for the inferior brands you now have mileage anxiety syndrome (MAS). Plus they are renting EVs to people with NO experience with EVs and in some cases that all they got to rent.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

EV vs ICE arguments aside, I will ask the question again.

tvmurray, Please tell me: WHICH RENTAL AGENCY FORCED YOU TO TAKE AN EV?

I REALLY want to avoid that company, since I will be renting a car this Christmas to drive back from Chicago!

I bet it was hertz’s????

[Topspinmo]

Too bad HDs don’t have the EV craze. I would enjoy not hearing all the noise

[mrf0151]

It is interesting that when you go on car rental sites, the EV vehicles are renting at a MUCH MUCH lower daily rate compared to gas vehicle rentals. That is all you need to know.