[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Too bad HDs don’t have the EV craze. I would enjoy not hearing all the noise

They do, but I believe Harley-Davidson has spun off their electric motorcycles into a different company called LiveWire.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by mrf0151

It is interesting that when you go on car rental sites, the EV vehicles are renting at a MUCH MUCH lower daily rate compared to gas vehicle rentals. That is all you need to know.

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[biker1]

I recently rented a car and several of the car rental companies offered EVs, typically Kia Niro EVs, at lower cost than ICE cars. I found that interesting. I didn't opt for the EV over concerns about charging stations and what my recharging options would be. For example, do they include a cord with the car if you have access to a 120V outlet? There was a total lack of information on the webpages and I didn't want to waste my time calling. If Teslas were offered I may have gone that route because their navigation system will take you to the Tesla Superchargers.

Originally Posted by JRcorvette

I would be really ****ed if the rental company tried to push an EV on me. Please tell us all what rental company that was so we can all AVOID them! Thanks

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by biker1

No, it's not.

Then refute it...

[biker1]

Actually, you made some strawman argument. YTD, the Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world. Through Q2, it was the best selling car in the US (just edged out by RAV4 in the Q3 YTD numbers). Again, I was responding to the comment about EVs being a novelty. They aren't.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And I was responding to your "stat" that Tesla Model Ys were the #1 car sold... (even tho they aren't...) I can keep up just fine...

[Robbb]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

So why haven't the manufacturers done that?

Surely if one came up with a car that did 100mpg it would vastly outsell those doing 35mpg?

Well the new Prius plug hybrid gets 91 mpg, is that good enough?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Robbb

Well the new Prius plug hybrid gets 91 mpg, is that good enough?

If it has 4WD, good ground clearance, and can tow a heavy load it would be good enough.

[Robbb]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

They do, but I believe Harley-Davidson has spun off their electric motorcycles into a different company called LiveWire.

I'm a biker and have ridden the LiveWire many times. At best its a novelty that will never appeal to the motorcycling community. Never.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Battlebasset

EV solves no problem I have now, and creates more. Until the range, availability/functionality of charging stations, and reduced reliance on China for battery raw materials arrives and has been solidly in place for at least 10 years, I'm not giving up my ICE. Could be interested in a hybrid, but am concerned about the complexity of two drive systems.

Not against EV. I have an EV golf cart. Works great for the Villages with no gas/exhaust smell, noise, and instant power availability. Comes home every night with at least a 50% charge left, and full charge by morning.

But for my vehicle that I want to jump in and drive halfway across the country and not think about it? ICE is the only way to go now.

We have a chrysler Pacifica hybrid and we LOVE it. Driving around town, which is what we mostly do, is well within the battery range of about 33 miles. Plug it in over night and you have another full range of 33 miles on battery. Range of about 550 miles on gas and battery. Batteries are warranted to last at least 10 years, but are expected to last the life of the vehicle. Works for us, it is a great compromise of battery and ICE. Plus, a full size mini van allows lots of passengers / cargo.

[Blackbird45]

Like it or not EVs are going to take over.
Today’s investments in the EV world are slated to improving milage, charging speed, and access to charging stations. Musk just signed a contract for $100 million with BP to supply their stations with his chargers in the U.S., plus taxpayer dollars are being spent to place charging stations on our public roads. Once people get use to the convenance while on a highway just being able to pull into a rest stop and fill up while taking care of business or waking up in the morning with their cars fully charged at home the demand will start to surge again. And let’s take a look at the profits, EVs are much less expensive to produce then ICE vehicles. Between solar, wind and nuclear, electricity is also less expensive than producing and delivering fuel. Maybe because the last five years of my career was negotiating contracts, I see everything through the lens of dollars. But to bolster my position unless there is a request most all new homes are being built with electric heat, stoves and ovens. Why because it’s less expensive than running a second fuel sore. At the end of the day maybe not as fast as expected but EVs will dominate the market and the conversion will have nothing to do with climate change, just follow the money.

[Two Bills]

EV's are very popular in UK, and given the size of the country, quite practical.
We are never more than 70 miles from the sea, and one end to the other is just over 600 miles, which, with a bigger EV, is a one charge journey.
Plenty of public charging points.
Even our rural local supermarket has two, and they make no charge (yet!), and you very seldom see both points used at same time.
Personally I will never have one due to the exorbitant cost of purchase, plus wife and I travel a lot in UK and Europe, and could not be bothered with all the logistics of finding charging points.
It's horses for courses really.
If our world was solely TV I could see the point of one, but with the distances of city to city travel in US, I would never have anything but an ICE vehicle.
Just cannot understand the TOTV posters who are so opposed to EV's.
No one is forcing them to buy.
The majority will be long dead and gone, even if such a time comes.
Just stick with your ICE vehicle, and let those who want electric sort out any problems with them.

Sorry for monologue, but freezing and raining cats and dogs here at the moment, so a bit bored.
Probably do an essay on roundabouts tomorrow, or divulge the best cheesecake recipe in the world!

[Susan1717]

I have no desire ever for an electric car. Most of the family I drive to visit have zero capability to charge a car. I don’t believe it’s better for our earth either.

[Southwest737]

This post sounds like a work of fiction.

[Ele201]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

A friend of mine bought a Tesla a few years ago (admittedly, chargers were more scarce then). When he finally got rid of it, it was primarily a result of his Therapist's advice. He told me he had "range anxiety" every day he owned the thing. It was so bad, he almost couldn't function.

He was an idiot to have bought the thing in the first place, knowing he spent most of his time "on the road".

Customer Satisfaction scores for EV's are abysmal. The major automakers have inventory backing up, because most everyone who wants an EV, has already bought one. Something has to give soon, as EV's simply aren't the answer.

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It may be that electric vehicles have had their heyday snd reached the peak of their popularity. I read that slower demand has some Tesla investors concerned.

I have no interest in buying an EV, and for some reason I don’t fully trust them. But I have enjoyed riding in them a few times.

[TeresaE]

Originally Posted by tvmurray

My wife and I went to Vermont to enjoy the colors and cooler weather.
When we arrived the car rental company said they only had a Chevy Bolt EV. I tried to see if they had anything else and the answer was no.
We took off and when we crossed into Vermont we stopped at the welcome center and asked about charging stations and the guy laughed at us. He said he only had a list of 14 stations in the state.
We spent the the next day trying to go from charger to charger. 195 Mike range and over an hour to get to 80% charge. We lost two days watching the power display and could not focus on the scenery.
On day two we made it to Montpelier which was supposed to have 3 stations. 1st didn't work, second had unattended vehicle plugged in, and third was destroyed like someone took a hammer to it.
35 miles of charge left and 40 miles to nearest airport we took off, turned of radio and heater and pulled into car rental with 1 mile left.
Totally screwed 2 full days of vacation time. Don't fall for this EV crap. They are a joke and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars.

The exact same thing happened to a friend of ours out in California. Flew into San Francisco, was given an EV and couldn’t find any charging stations for his vehicle. Apparently, charging stations are not uniform. They’ve got to be specific to the vehicle manufacturer.