[BlueStarAirlines]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

Which car rental company did you use that would force an EV on you? I'd like to avoid that company!

If I had to bet it would be Hertz. I rent a lot of cars for work and they are practically giving EV rentals away if you have any status with them. I have a 5 day rental coming up and they offered me paying for two days and getting 3 free if I went with an EV.

We are switching to AVIS just because we've been forced to EV a few times with Hertz and everything was a hassle. AVIS offers EV but you have to select them.

[DonnaNi4os]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Can Chevy Bolts use Tesla Stations?

My daughter drives a Polestar and does instagram marketing for the company. According to her, Tesla chargers are not compatible with Polestars. She also said they are working with Tesla
to make them compatible with other electric vehicles.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

I think the post was more agenda seeking then about the difficulty in charging

YA THINK???????

[MSGirl]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Sometimes you might need to use Google instead of asking people with minimal knowledge
“In the last year, the number of EVs on the road has nearly doubled, from 6,000 to 10,000, and Vermont has added 55 charging stations, for a total of 396.
Sep 20, 2023

My nephew rented a Tesla on a recent trip to Maryland and spent the entire time looking for charging stations, including a dealership. The dealership only offered a slow charge. When he did find a station, he couldn’t get enough of a charge to travel in. No thank you.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

I think the post was more agenda seeking then about the difficulty in charging

A basic HUMAN tendency is to RESIST change. It seems that they did NOT want the electric vehicle in the FIRST place. So they seemed DETERMINED (like a self fulfilling prophecy) to let it ruin their vacation - and it did. I believe that Ford or Chevrolet executives explained to people that it would take 2 more YEARS to have charging stations virtually EVERYWHERE.
......Gasoline vehicles have RULED the road since about 1900. Electric vehicles will take an awkward period of up to TEN years to achieve the same lack of RANGE ANXIETY that gasoline vehicles have now.
.......Meanwhile EVERY electric vehicle on the road today makes the US less dependent on the Middle East and Russia. And electric motors have ALWAYS been more RELIABLE than gasoline engines. The electric engine moves in a SMOOTH circle. The gas engine must have pistons moving up and down and then later there is a CONVERSION to circular motion for the wheels.
.........And the more Electric vehicles there are on the road - the LESS the need for gasoline - so the price of a gal of gas will go down.
.........And that shows the motivation for the US oil and gas industry to resist E-vehicles. Which gets us back to the original, "people RESIST change". And SO do corporations.

[merrymini]

Tesla is a terrific car but all EVs have their limitations. They will definitely have a place in the future, but replace all ICEs with EVs? No. Not until some technological breakthrough happens with batteries. People who want to shut down coal fired plants are living on another planet but then, they will be dead when that is supposed to happen so they do not care. Just feed the righteous crazies for the moment and you get their votes.

[Birdrm]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Sometimes you might need to use Google instead of asking people with minimal knowledge
“In the last year, the number of EVs on the road has nearly doubled, from 6,000 to 10,000, and Vermont has added 55 charging stations, for a total of 396.
Sep 20, 2023

One of the problems with a list of charging stations is how many of those are Tesla stations that only Tesla EVs can charge?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

EV's are very popular in UK, and given the size of the country, quite practical.
We are never more than 70 miles from the sea, and one end to the other is just over 600 miles, which, with a bigger EV, is a one charge journey.
Plenty of public charging points.
Even our rural local supermarket has two, and they make no charge (yet!), and you very seldom see both points used at same time.
Personally I will never have one due to the exorbitant cost of purchase, plus wife and I travel a lot in UK and Europe, and could not be bothered with all the logistics of finding charging points.
It's horses for courses really.
If our world was solely TV I could see the point of one, but with the distances of city to city travel in US, I would never have anything but an ICE vehicle.
Just cannot understand the TOTV posters who are so opposed to EV's.
No one is forcing them to buy.
The majority will be long dead and gone, even if such a time comes.
Just stick with your ICE vehicle, and let those who want electric sort out any problems with them.

Sorry for monologue, but freezing and raining cats and dogs here at the moment, so a bit bored.
Probably do an essay on roundabouts tomorrow, or divulge the best cheesecake recipe in the world!

Interesting points.

I think one common misconception is that people here are "opposed" to EVs. That is certainly not the case: I know plenty of people who one one (or two) and are happy with them. More power to them. If an EV fits your needs, wonderful. People are certainly free to choose them. However, the statement "No one is forcing them to buy", if the administration has their way, would prove to be untrue. See below.

I think, bottom-line, that folks here are opposed to what they see as some pretty blatant social engineering, based on concepts that at best are legitimately challengeable and at worst a power-grab. The proposed EPA emissions limitations which would mandate a 13% annual emissions reduction and an overall 56% cut in fleet emissions, for example. The administration's plan to use taxpayer dollars as as grants to automakers to retrofit for purposes of manufacturing more EVs. The proposal to dramatically cut greenhouse-gas emissions by heavy-duty vehicles (trucks, buses, and the like beginning in 2027 with ever-more stringent reductions annually to 2032--an especially problematic area because America's economy runs on such vehicles, and such restrictions would inevitably mean a significant increase in the cost of domestic goods and services. Other examples exist as well.

There is, or should be, no problem with letting the market decide, and with Elon involved the market could very well swing eventually in favor of EVs regardless of government interference. But anything that smacks of social engineering is a surefire way to raise the hackles of many--probably most--Americans. That is what you're seeing here--not opposition to EVs but opposition to what is seen as arbitrary government meddling.

I don't know how things are seen in the UK regarding such matters, but I go back to a quote by former President Ronald Reagan: "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Maybe the citizens of the UK don't see government in that way, but a whole lot of Americans do.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by biker1

Actually, you made some strawman argument. YTD, the Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world. Through Q2, it was the best selling car in the US (just edged out by RAV4 in the Q3 YTD numbers). Again, I was responding to the comment about EVs being a novelty. They aren't.

Nothing straw man about my argument, at all...

Sorry you can't comprehend what that actually means...

And at this point in time, they most certainly are still a novelty... Will they become the norm? Possibly. But to think they are just because ONE model Tesla outsold ONE model Toyota (which has a dozen different similar vehicles which are comparable in price, style and function) is foolish...

Hell, just add the Honda Civic to the list and they blow the Tesla's numbers out of the water...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Like it or not EVs are going to take over.
Today’s investments in the EV world are slated to improving milage, charging speed, and access to charging stations. Musk just signed a contract for $100 million with BP to supply their stations with his chargers in the U.S., plus taxpayer dollars are being spent to place charging stations on our public roads. Once people get use to the convenance while on a highway just being able to pull into a rest stop and fill up while taking care of business or waking up in the morning with their cars fully charged at home the demand will start to surge again. And let’s take a look at the profits, EVs are much less expensive to produce then ICE vehicles. Between solar, wind and nuclear, electricity is also less expensive than producing and delivering fuel. Maybe because the last five years of my career was negotiating contracts, I see everything through the lens of dollars. But to bolster my position unless there is a request most all new homes are being built with electric heat, stoves and ovens. Why because it’s less expensive than running a second fuel sore. At the end of the day maybe not as fast as expected but EVs will dominate the market and the conversion will have nothing to do with climate change, just follow the money.

If that is true, why are the car companies losing $10's of thousands of $$$ on every EV sold?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

EV's are very popular in UK, and given the size of the country, quite practical.
We are never more than 70 miles from the sea, and one end to the other is just over 600 miles, which, with a bigger EV, is a one charge journey.
Plenty of public charging points.
Even our rural local supermarket has two, and they make no charge (yet!), and you very seldom see both points used at same time.
Personally I will never have one due to the exorbitant cost of purchase, plus wife and I travel a lot in UK and Europe, and could not be bothered with all the logistics of finding charging points.
It's horses for courses really.
If our world was solely TV I could see the point of one, but with the distances of city to city travel in US, I would never have anything but an ICE vehicle.
Just cannot understand the TOTV posters who are so opposed to EV's.
No one is forcing them to buy.
The majority will be long dead and gone, even if such a time comes.
Just stick with your ICE vehicle, and let those who want electric sort out any problems with them.

Sorry for monologue, but freezing and raining cats and dogs here at the moment, so a bit bored.
Probably do an essay on roundabouts tomorrow, or divulge the best cheesecake recipe in the world!

And there's the rub... Several states and now some on the national scene are trying to force us into buy them in the next 6-11 years...

Now, YOU may plan to be gone by then, but some of us hope to be around much longer...

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by TeresaE

In 2006, did a paper on EVs for my masters program. At that time it was projected that at most EVs would gain 25% of the market, but to do that oil would. Have to double in price.

Last time I looked the EV share of the market it was still less than 10%. When Henry Ford started mass production of automobiles, did the government mandate their use over horses? No, the market decided. If it weren’t for government mandates imposed on us, the market share for EVs would be even less.

I don't believe you understood what I was trying to convey. This has nothing to do with oil price or saving the consumer money. This is a new produce for the auto industry to sell and is less expensive to build. Do you believe the auto companies, battery manufactures, are investing millions to save the consumer money or save the planet. This is America the main motivation in this country is making money and it's not only the companies it's all everyday American investors looking to cash in.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Lintondr

Google shows over 20 chargers open 24 hours just in tiny Stowe VT. Something seems askew in the sound of music of the original story. Additionally given how many seasonal travelers, there is also more than a single car rental agency.

Were they capable of charging the Chevy EV? If not, they were 20 useless chargers...

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

If that is true, why are the car companies losing $10's of thousands of $$$ on every EV sold?

That might be true today, but these companies are investing millions of dollars to get the kinks out. Once they do they expect a big return are their investment. There too much cash going into this, it's not going away.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A basic HUMAN tendency is to RESIST change. It seems that they did NOT want the electric vehicle in the FIRST place. So they seemed DETERMINED (like a self fulfilling prophecy) to let it ruin their vacation - and it did. I believe that Ford or Chevrolet executives explained to people that it would take 2 more YEARS to have charging stations virtually EVERYWHERE.
......Gasoline vehicles have RULED the road since about 1900. Electric vehicles will take an awkward period of up to TEN years to achieve the same lack of RANGE ANXIETY that gasoline vehicles have now.
.......Meanwhile EVERY electric vehicle on the road today makes the US less dependent on the Middle East and Russia. And electric motors have ALWAYS been more RELIABLE than gasoline engines. The electric engine moves in a SMOOTH circle. The gas engine must have pistons moving up and down and then later there is a CONVERSION to circular motion for the wheels.
.........And the more Electric vehicles there are on the road - the LESS the need for gasoline - so the price of a gal of gas will go down.
.........And that shows the motivation for the US oil and gas industry to resist E-vehicles. Which gets us back to the original, "people RESIST change". And SO do corporations.

But MORE dependent on CHINA...