[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Look the government no matter who has their hands on the wheel can barely control anything. You believe the government can force the auto industry to manufacture electric cars, that is comical. Politicians put standards in place because of the pressure they receive from their constituents.

There used to be an old saying which a version was attributed to Plato in 380 BC, which became “Necessity is the mother of invention”. In today’s world that is no longer the case. If there is no profit at the end of the tunnel whatever the necessity is will not be met.

Look Ford built the Edsel in 1957 it lasted 3 years before it came off the market. The demise was due to market pressure, why because it was a bomb nobody wanted it. A substantial number of people want electric cars and what is even more important is a large amount of the American investor are willing to invest in stocks that support that goal. Do you think all these people are worried about the planet or that the government is going to kidnap their children. No, they believe that there is an alternative to ICE and they believe EVs are the answer. They are putting their hard earn money on the table because they believe it’s a winner. If there is any pressure companies will bend to is the investor, no investors no company.

Please explain why auto makers are now complaining than no one is buying their EVs and that the stock on hand is languishing?

Could it be due to "market pressure"?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Look the government no matter who has their hands on the wheel can barely control anything. You believe the government can force the auto industry to manufacture electric cars, that is comical. Politicians put standards in place because of the pressure they receive from their constituents.

There used to be an old saying which a version was attributed to Plato in 380 BC, which became “Necessity is the mother of invention”. In today’s world that is no longer the case. If there is no profit at the end of the tunnel whatever the necessity is will not be met.

Look Ford built the Edsel in 1957 it lasted 3 years before it came off the market. The demise was due to market pressure, why because it was a bomb nobody wanted it. A substantial number of people want electric cars and what is even more important is a large amount of the American investor are willing to invest in stocks that support that goal. Do you think all these people are worried about the planet or that the government is going to kidnap their children. No, they believe that there is an alternative to ICE and they believe EVs are the answer. They are putting their hard earn money on the table because they believe it’s a winner. If there is any pressure companies will bend to is the investor, no investors no company.

The facts don't agree with your reasoning nor conclusion, but you're surely entitled to your opinion.

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Please explain why auto makers are now complaining than no one is buying their EVs and that the stock on hand is languishing?

Could it be due to "market pressure"?

No, the EV market is in its infancy. You would have to be blind not to see the issues, but there is lots of money being invested to fix those kinks. This is not a mountain it is a minor hump, and the investments will bring EVs to its maturity. Tesla stock is not languishing and as the problems are confronted all EV stock will rise. The only question is how long it will take. If you're a day trader you might take a bath, but I believe if you're in for the long haul you will do well. Who in their right mind would have stock it out with Amazon. I would have dumped it in the beginning.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

No, the EV market is in its infancy. You would have to be blind not to see the issues, but there is lots of money being invested to fix those kinks. This is not a mountain it is a minor hump, and the investments will bring EVs to its maturity. Tesla stock is not languishing and as the problems are confronted all EV stock will rise. The only question is how long it will take. If you're a day trader you might take a bath, but I believe if you're in for the long haul you will do well. Who in their right mind would have stock it out with Amazon. I would have dumped it in the beginning.

The major auto makers have been making electric cars since the early 90's, over 30 years ago. Tesla's been marketing cars for almost 15 years.

EV's are now about 8% of the market.

Yep, they're catching on fast !.

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[DrMack]

I’m so sorry to hear about your trip! I get it about green energy. Here’s the honest truth though. You are talking about Vermont and Fall!

Heaters in electric cars run off of electricity using resisters or heat pumps. They can drain an electric vehicle battery fairly quickly. We had 2 Teslas and in the winter they lasted a little over half as long as when we drove them in the summer months. The G 80 did the best, it could do about 3/4 what it was able to do in the summer in the best of conditions.

Next trip, I would consider being more pragmatic and just getting the more portable eco friendly gas powered car for the week. Zero worries that way.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Repetition is designed to promote understanding. Understanding.

"A lie, repeated often enough, becomes the truth". (Josef Goebbels)

Methinks the above post confuses understanding with indoctrination.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

That might be true today, but these companies are investing millions of dollars to get the kinks out. Once they do they expect a big return are their investment. There too much cash going into this, it's not going away.

Like I said before, .....excuses for an unfinished....novelty vehicle.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is NOT that "customer satisfaction with EVs is abysmal. people like the EVs. They don't like the fact that there are NOT enough charging stations away from home...............at least, for now.

Another reason/excuse for the EVs not ready for prime time. EVs have limitations that ICE vehicles don't. Only reason anyone thinks EVs are "great" is because they support the false green movement. Oh, and why would anyone want people to think they made a bad choice by spending a lot of money on a paper tiger? Of course they are going to insist they like their EV. But, do they like it better than a nice ICE luxury car, or are they just stuck with an incomplete idea and don't want to admit it?
Should our government subsidize hundreds of thousands of charging stations? Surely they know that there will never be enough of them. Should they put one at each curb on the street for those residents that don't own a garage?
And using Europe as an example of how great EVs are, is ludicrous. Commuting in Europe (tiny countries) can be done on bicycles in many cases. Not even apples to oranges.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com View Post
"I think the post was more agenda seeking then about the difficulty in charging."

So do I, Charlie, SO DO I.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

EVs are doing fine in Europe. It is SAD that the US is more backward than Europe. We still don't even use the METRIC SYSTEM.

If the US is "more backward than Europe" then why is it that our poverty level families living as good a lifestyle as the middle class in Europe? And what does the metric system have to do with the subject anyway?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Markets can't DECIDE everything because markets are just a small subset compared with the influence of the national government. Markets can't decide how BIG to make the CIA, but the US government can. Markets don't decide where large interstate highways go, gut government does. Markets don't decide when to start a WAR, governments do.
........The US government takes all factors into consideration such as limited amounts of fossil fuel, pollution from fossil fuel, health risks associated with fossil fuels, which countries are US enemies, increasing global temperatures due to fossil fuel - and then asks the question, "how to we decrease fossil fuel use". Then, US government may decide to stimulate the use and purchase of non-fossil fuel burning automobiles. Markets can't decide that, so government MUST!

I can see how "someone " finds Europe so appealing. It is NOT the American way to have the government dictate what we need and what we really want. Americans prefer the freedom to make their own choices. At least, most Americans do.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

No, the EV market is in its infancy. You would have to be blind not to see the issues, but there is lots of money being invested to fix those kinks. This is not a mountain it is a minor hump, and the investments will bring EVs to its maturity. Tesla stock is not languishing and as the problems are confronted all EV stock will rise. The only question is how long it will take. If you're a day trader you might take a bath, but I believe if you're in for the long haul you will do well. Who in their right mind would have stock it out with Amazon. I would have dumped it in the beginning.

EVs go back as far as the 1800's and seem to still be in their "infancy." Over a hundred years old and still not ready for prime time. Maybe they can be configured to use cold fusion ? Another great idea that still can't quite get started.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Another reason/excuse for the EVs not ready for prime time. EVs have limitations that ICE vehicles don't. Only reason anyone thinks EVs are "great" is because they support the false green movement. Oh, and why would anyone want people to think they made a bad choice by spending a lot of money on a paper tiger? Of course they are going to insist they like their EV. But, do they like it better than a nice ICE luxury car, or are they just stuck with an incomplete idea and don't want to admit it?

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You keep insisting that an EV is not the right car for YOU and therefore it is not the right car for ANYONE. There are people in western states that would never buy a car over a truck because they don't have the ground clearance for the back roads and are terrible in the snow. Does that mean that cars are bad or does it mean that their situation requires something that cars cannot provide?

If you frequently drive longer distances and don't have the time to spend at a charging station then an EV as your only vehicle would not work for you. I am currently in that situation but I recognize that others are not, I was not until recently, and I will not be in the future. I wish I had an EV when I was commuting 40 miles to work, it would have saved a huge amount in gas. My family in NY stays withing a 100 mile radius so they would greatly benefit from gas savings. When I stop taking long trips (including driving up to see them) then I will purchase an EV to save on gas. MANY people find an EV to be great today.

It's sad that you spend so much energy trying to convince others that they have made bad choices when clearly, many are very happy with their EVs. As for buyer's remorse, others regret buying that luxury BMW that turns out to be expensive to maintain and operate. I drive a luxury car today but I am really looking forward to the day my driving needs fit the capabilities of an EV so that I can trade up to one of those.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I can see how "someone " finds Europe so appealing. It is NOT the American way to have the government dictate what we need and what we really want. Americans prefer the freedom to make their own choices. At least, most Americans do.

Providing the majority all walk in the same direction!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You keep insisting that an EV is not the right car for YOU and therefore it is not the right car for ANYONE. There are people in western states that would never buy a car over a truck because they don't have the ground clearance for the back roads and are terrible in the snow. Does that mean that cars are bad or does it mean that their situation requires something that cars cannot provide?

If you frequently drive longer distances and don't have the time to spend at a charging station then an EV as your only vehicle would not work for you. I am currently in that situation but I recognize that others are not, I was not until recently, and I will not be in the future. I wish I had an EV when I was commuting 40 miles to work, it would have saved a huge amount in gas. My family in NY stays withing a 100 mile radius so they would greatly benefit from gas savings. When I stop taking long trips (including driving up to see them) then I will purchase an EV to save on gas. MANY people find an EV to be great today.

It's sad that you spend so much energy trying to convince others that they have made bad choices when clearly, many are very happy with their EVs. As for buyer's remorse, others regret buying that luxury BMW that turns out to be expensive to maintain and operate. I drive a luxury car today but I am really looking forward to the day my driving needs fit the capabilities of an EV so that I can trade up to one of those.

Apparently, you misunderstood my posts. Where was I saying that the EV is not for me? I never even said that the EV was a bad idea. I said it was an incomplete idea that was prematurely released with the intention of replacing the ICE. I also said that folks that support the EV are making excuses for it's limits. I also said that I own a battery powered golf cart and I add that I also own ONLY battery powered tools (except my saw). To be honest with you, I also find the battery powered tools that I own to be anemic compared to the same tools powered by fossil fuel. But, I did not wish to store gasoline in my garage. My preference.
Let me reiterate that when I read posts that state that the EV "will" be great eventually, or that the EV "is good IF" the weather is right, or they are charged over night in you garage (as if everyone has a garage). Or, the EV is fine if you don't have to travel a long way, or as long as you are not waiting in a line to charge it, etc. I hear a lot of excuses for them not being as good as ICE vehicles. So, I am sure you will agree that they are not yet ready for prime time, as I said a couple of times in response to those excuses. My motorcycle does not make claims as a replacement for a car. It is a novelty or luxury, nothing more. If an EV cannot meet th e standards or requirements of an ICE vehicle, it is nothing more than a novelty or luxury, not meant for real time.