Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
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Currently the average MPG for a car in the USA is 25 so they only have to quadruple that and BrianL99 will be proved right. |
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EVs make some sense for retirees in Florida.
Just get a Corolla LE and don't spend a second thinking about range or cost. |
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‘We”. are driven by sales and and profit. At this present time IMO only top 30% at most can afford high end vehicles electric or hybrids. Tesla when compared to other EVs manufacturers are decades ahead in infrastructure and technology. Plus Tesla prices come down not up like competitors. IMO Tesla the only serious EV manufacturer. Others are copycats like the big fins flash of late 50s. |
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If I had booked a non EV and they didn’t have one I definitely would have looked elsewhere. Most airports have multiple rental agencies. Whether it is my cars or my golf carts, I have no desire to own any EV’s. I like my Ford F350 just fine.
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Because the government is investing billions into advancing electric technology for automobiles and zero for ICE vehicles. Like everyone else, the auto manufacturers have to go where the money is.
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The fallacy of your thinking is that it would be possible to increase ICE efficiency by 3-4x to create typical ICE cars that could achieve 100 MPG (up from 25-30 MPG for a typical car today). There are physics involved. ICE engines experience small increases in efficiency with time because they are approaching the limits of what can be obtained. Sophisticated engine control systems have been used for years. The typical ICE vehicles are about 20% efficient and the remaining 80% of the fuel's energy is wasted as heat and other inefficiencies in the car systems such as the need to run a cooling system. The pressure to meet CAFE standards is immense and all automakers work like hell to obtain ever decreasing increases in efficiency. Why do you think 0W-16 oils are now being used? While there are some novel ICE designs out there with higher efficiencies, I don't see a lot of interest in automakers adopting them. Diesel engines are more efficient than gasoline engines but VW put a stain on that technology, which was never very popular to begin with in the US. Other changes to cars such as advanced materials to reduce overall vehicle weight, and therefore increase efficiency, are certainly possible but they are also applicable to EVs and are typically expensive. Electric motors are very efficient, electric power plants utilize fuels much more efficiently than an ICE engine in a car is capable of doing (new generation of natural gas power plants are up to 60% efficient but older plants are more like 40% efficient), high voltage power lines transmit power with very high efficiency, and charging systems in EVs have small inefficiencies. Essentially, it is more efficient to burn fossil fuels in a large power plant and power EVs than burn them in large numbers of ICE engines. The difference is about 2-3x.
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Throwing money at a problem is seldom the solution. Committing thinking people to it often is. The returns would come from being the only company to make a car that has 4x the mpg of all the other manufacturers. However, they've had 125 years in which to do it, and haven't achieved anything more than incremental increases, so it would be safest to accept that it isn't going to happen. |
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Biden signed another executive order to eliminate all coal fired power plants.
Think about that. It will reduce the available power generation across the entire country. Any replacement power will need to come from natural gas, solar, or wind. Using natural gas will drive up the cost of all oil derived energy. Building new power plants is expensive. Solar and wind are not reliable as supplying the base load needed to run the country. More EVs will create more demand - a lot of that at night - when wind and solar produces nothing. |
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The date is 2035 and was probably going to happen anyway for economic reasons. Coal has been on a steep decline, because natural gas is lower in cost, and less than 20% of our electricity currently comes from coal. Twenty years ago 50% of electricity came from coal.
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EVs are still a "novelty." Hmmm, EVs were available in the late 1800's and were a "novelty" then and still are. I keep hearing how great they are, but they still cannot compare to fossil fuel powered vehicles......period. When someone attempts to compare the two, the folks pro-EV have to make excuses. Always excuses but eventually have to admit that they have their flaws. Should EVs be "mandated" by the federal government? They aren't ready yet.
ICEs are still better than or equal to EVs in almost every way. If the EVs were so great then logical citizens would jump on the opportunity to own one. EVs are more expensive, even with tax credit from the Feds. Middle to lower level earners can't really consider the expense. EVs are NOT long range vehicles. EVs take take a minimum of 20 minutes (usually hours) to refuel. Not good for long commuting or trips where time is a premium. EVs are not conducive to efficient operation in harsh climates. ICE vehicles are less expensive ICE vehicles are preferable for long commutes ICE vehicles can be refueled in five or ten minutes. Maybe fifteen if waiting in line. EVs a minimum of 20 mins and at least 20 mins added for every vehicle in line ahead of it. ICE vehicles work better in harsh weather. ICE vehicles can be refueled on the road and do not need to be towed when they run out of energy/fuel. ICE vehicles have more fuel options; gasoline, diesel, natural gas, hydrogen, alcohol derivatives, recycled cooking oil, etc. EVs are being FORCED on us. Why? Because of the green agenda. EVs don't pollute the air, ICE vehicles do. So do cows, but we still raise them for consumption. So does mankind but we don't eliminate humans. I could live with owning an EV in the Villages, but some folks have to work for a living. If I was still employed, an EV would be at the bottom of my list of transportation methods. Thank goodness I am too old to be around long enough for an EV to be forced on me. To me, an EV is like owning a motorcycle, boat or a horse. Just a "novelty" for recreation. But, to keep this related to the OP/subject, if a rental company tried to pawn an EV on me when I needed a reliable mode of transportation, I would have sought out a different rental agency.
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EVs are hardly a novelty. The best selling car in the world, YTD, is a Tesla Model Y. Nobody is forcing an EV on you. ICE cars will still be around for probably the next 20-30 years, or more. You might not find a lot of choices in new ICE cars in 10-15 years or so but the used market will still be there. Buy what you want. There is no need to try to convince others what to do or try to explain your actions.
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It doesn't get much attention, but the House of Representatives will most likely be voting this week (Tuesday, probably) on the Choice in Automobile Retail Sales (CARS) act, which of passed would disallow pending federal regulations targeting gas-powered vehicles and well as prohibiting future EV mandates.
The support for this appears pretty broad. The Independent Women's Voice website had some interesting numbers on this: "Six in 10 Americans say the price tag of electric vehicles (EVs) is too high. Polling data suggests the majority of Americans won’t ever buy EVs due to their vast shortcomings. As a result, EV adoption rates remain low. In 2022, EVs accounted for just 5.8% of all the 13.8 million new vehicles sold in the U.S. This is attributed to a limited network of EV charging stations, fueling and charging inefficiencies, and the forced nature of EV adoption that isn’t reflective of market demand." They are certainly alone in this. Should be interesting. Will saner heads prevail? |
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