[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Going to need a lot more asphalt for road paving due to heavy EV batteries.

The total weight is the same as with a HEAVY gas engine.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Remembergoldenrule

Ok, what about where to put all the extra batteries when they die especially since don’t last as long, how manny trees will be cut down for factories, Electric car batteries are complex components containing many rare earth elements (REE), like lithium, nickel, cobalt, and graphite. As their name suggests, these materials are difficult to find and extract, requiring intensive mining and even some polluting processes to separate them from the soil. Let’s not forget these mineral mines are mostly controlled by China and child labor laws don’t apply. Some studies have shown that the manufacturing of a typical EV battery can result in higher carbon emissions compared to gasoline cars. This is due to the significant amount of energy required for the procurement of raw materials and the manufacturing process itself.
Extracting lithium from the brine is fairly straightforward and is done by evaporating the water to leave behind a lithium-rich solution.

Lithium mining’s environmental impact

Because of this evaporation process, lithium mining uses a large amount of groundwater that gets lost in the process. This can deprive local communities of drinking water and harms farming by reducing the water available for irrigation – especially given that most of the world’s lithium is extracted in arid regions with scarce water supplies in the first place.

On top of that, the remaining liquid left after lithium is extracted can contain toxic or radioactive elements and needs to be cleaned and stored before it can be released.
Manganese is usually mined in open pit mines, with around 80% of manganese production coming from South Africa. Australia, China, India, Ukraine, and Brazil also produce significant shares of the metal.

Manganese mining’s environmental impact

Because of its mining in open pits, manganese extraction can cause substantial air pollution, especially in dry areas where dust from mining can rise easily. Additionally, manganese can pollute the soil and water supply, including by introducing other chemical elements.
Let’s not forget all the employees replaced by automation in EV factories.
Also, don’t forget the EV charging stations use electricity which means electricity has to be produced and all the factors that go into that. Are you ready for more rolling brownouts and blackouts? Are you ok with all the environmental and other costs of more electric plants? Just thinking.

New innovation may produce cleaner batteries. We are in the early stage of the EV saga. Innovation HAPPENS !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

There are probably 25% of so called scientists that are paid off to say whatever the payers want them to say. All of the scares these so called scientists have predicted during the last 100 years, with all of them saying we have a decade before we are wiped off the earth unless we do something, have all been debunked. How about the rising oceans because of the demise of all the glaciers?Isn’t Miami supposed to be under feet of water by now? These so-called scientists were predicting the villages would have ocean front property in a few years, they actually drew up maps depicting this scenario. Remember the hole in the ozone layer from decades ago? NOAA still says we have the hole over Antarctica and it won’t be fixed until the 2060’s. They also mention this hole is caused by natural means and is closing by natural means, this is why you don’t hear these so-called climatologists anymore because it’s been over a decade when doomsday was supposed to occur and nothing happened.

WELL, Miami is scheduled to be under water by about 2050.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

Not for me. The electrical grid in this country would need a major major overhaul. Right now the average city block could only support three or four home charging stations.
Damage to the environment and in poor countries were the minerals are mined for batteries is horrible.
What do you do with the batteries when they need replaced?
Look how expensive the batteries are.
And, uh, what creates electricity to charge the vehicle? It’s not gonna be solar or windmills, it’s going to be possible fuels, and it always will be.

I love the "always will be" statements. I bet people said that about horses and buggies.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

WELL, Miami is scheduled to be under water by about 2050.

And we’re all scheduled to be underground by then.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

For those who think there is no global warming....

Earth briefly passed a feared global warming milestone.

Average global temperatures were more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial times for the first time on Friday, data shows.

What it means: The climate is moving into uncharted territory after months of record warmth. A longer-term breach of this benchmark could have severe consequences.

I didn't know until reading this thread, that anyone still thinks GW is a hoax, I thought the debate was the cause, not the existence.

I read that also!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Caymus

So, how much warmer does it need to get before the dinosaurs return?

Denying a problem does NOT solve the problem. There we go again, "Nero is fiddling again and the earth is burning".

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by bigeasy

Honda generator. Runs 24 hours on a gallon of diesel fuel. Put this onboard.

What’s amps output? It may take lot more than 24 hours?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

For those who think there is no global warming....

Earth briefly passed a feared global warming milestone.

Average global temperatures were more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial times for the first time on Friday, data shows.

What it means: The climate is moving into uncharted territory after months of record warmth. A longer-term breach of this benchmark could have severe consequences.

I didn't know until reading this thread, that anyone still thinks GW is a hoax, I thought the debate was the cause, not the existence.

graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png | NOAA Climate.gov

And could not. Long ways to go looking at chart.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by TomSpasm

I always laugh to myself when someone starts moaning about all the pollution and environmental damage that mining for EV materals is going to cause. I've lived in 3 different places where the oil industry polluted the beaches. The east coast of Saudi Arabia, where Aramco would occasionally have a mishap. Santa Barbara, CA, where we needed to keep a bottle of baby oil at the door to wipe the tar off our feet after going to the beach (offshore rigs). And Madeira Beach, FL, where a tanker spill created an environmental disaster and made the beaches unusable for months. Bring on the EVs!

So how going build EV with crud oil? How going to build. Solar with crud oil? How you going to build wind turbines without crud oil? Everything industrial produced by crud oil.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Denying a problem does NOT solve the problem. There we go again, "Nero is fiddling again and the earth is burning".

Lot warmer when look at the chart

graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png | NOAA Climate.gov

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I love the "always will be" statements. I bet people said that about horses and buggies.

By this chart earth nowhere near it maximum average temperatures.

graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png | NOAA Climate.gov

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png | NOAA Climate.gov

And could not. Long ways to go looking at chart.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

By this chart earth nowhere near it maximum average temperatures.

graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png | NOAA Climate.gov

Nice chart but maybe needs some context.

Apes and humans did not exist 50,000,000 years ago when the earth was much warmer. Apes and gorillas appeared somewhere around 10,000,000 years ago and humans around 550,000 years ago. It is impossible to tell from this graph just what the temperature was at 550,000 years ago but it was clearly well into the blue range.

So sure, the earth has been much warmer, but man wasn't around to see it. I'm all for trying new things but warming the earth to prehistoric temperatures just to see what will happen doesn't seem like a good idea.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The total weight is the same as with a HEAVY gas engine.

Did you just make that up?

Just a moment...

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by rsimpson

You said this dream vehicle has a GAS TANK! and then you dream of Closing the Oil Fields - Where does the GAS come from in your dream?? Global Warming is a political scam, and millions are falling for it!

It seems so hard for many to understand sarcasm.