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rubicon 11-25-2014 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 972852)
Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.

janmcn: And isn't that sad as Officer Wilson in performing the responsibilities he was trained and paid to do ends up being treated like a common criminal all because politicians, news people, and race baiters pick the bones of such prey to satisfy their egos and pocketbooks . Officer Wilson is not an OJ, Casey Anthony or George Zimmerman. Where are his supporters? Who is speaking up on his behalf? Where is the outrage over his injustices?

Tennisnut 11-25-2014 12:54 PM

According to the findings of the Grand Jury, isn't it sad that that an individual who was shot at close range at the police cruiser and then run away only to turn around and charge unarmed toward the same individual who had shot him before and be shot multiple times? Was his life so bad that he wanted to commit suicide by cop? Unfortunately, Mr. Wilson was called upon to provide the service. No winners here!

Sandtrap328 11-25-2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 972859)
janmcn: And isn't that sad as Officer Wilson in performing the responsibilities he was trained and paid to do ends up being treated like a common criminal all because politicians, news people, and race baiters pick the bones of such prey to satisfy their egos and pocketbooks . Officer Wilson is not an OJ, Casey Anthony or George Zimmerman. Where are his supporters? Who is speaking up on his behalf? Where is the outrage over his injustices?

There were photos of Wilson shown just after the shooting. He had one bruise on a cheek. Where was the eye socket fracture? It was non-existent. Wilson fired 12 shots at Brown!

Wilson forgot his training and fired at a person running away! Wilson was not in fear of his life when Brown was running away!

Bogie Shooter 11-25-2014 01:04 PM

Why wasn't there a special prosecuter appointed to replace the "local" prosecuter with close ties to the police department?

mflasch 11-25-2014 01:04 PM

Does anyone think tonight will be any different? I heard a report that Big Al was heading to Ferguson. That will really get them agitated. He should be barred from entering Missouri until this whole thing settles down. The National Guard should also be given orders to shoot any looters and a curfew should be put in place.
Hands Up/Don't Shoot
Pants Up/Don't Loot
You Loot/We Shoot

mflasch 11-25-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 972867)
There were photos of Wilson shown just after the shooting. He had one bruise on a cheek. Where was the eye socket fracture? It was non-existent. Wilson fired 12 shots at Brown!

Wilson forgot his training and fired at a person running away! Wilson was not in fear of his life when Brown was running away!

I think all of the bullets entered the from the front. Kind of hard to do if someone is running away from you.

TexaninVA 11-25-2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 972852)
Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.


Four Ways Officer Darren Wilson And The Ferguson Police Could Still Be Held Accountable In Court | ThinkProgress

Had Darren Wilson not shot and defended himself, he would be dead.

The mob in the street doesn't care what the evidence said, they wanted him indicted. Mobs are ignorant, emotional and cowardly. Had we given the mob some rope, led by Rev. Al, I'm sure they would have been happy to lynch the police officer from the nearest tree.

So now the police officer's life is ruined because he was doing his job. Yes, Brown is dead but he was also committing a felony at the time of his death. My overall feeling ... If I was a cop in St. Louis and had the power, I would designate certain areas of the city "police free zones' and then let the residents have at it.

And I wonder why inner city residents complain that there are no businesses there to serve them? Duh

dbussone 11-25-2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 972872)
Why wasn't there a special prosecuter appointed to replace the "local" prosecuter with close ties to the police department?


I'm not sure a special prosecutor would change the outcome, Bogie. I served on a grand jury for 6 months. It was the prosecutor's job to bring cases to us, but we had broad powers to ask for witnesses and experts to explain things and go over evidence. The prosecutor almost served as more of an assistant to us. In fact, we had the ability to hear evidence/testimony on cases we wished to hear, that the prosecutor did even offer up. I'm sure there are differences from state to state and jurisdiction to jurisdiction. My point is that the members of a hand jury play a very active role in a case, not the passive role one sees on television before a judge.

Bogie Shooter 11-25-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 972880)
I'm not sure a special prosecutor would change the outcome, Bogie. I served on a grand jury for 6 months. It was the prosecutor's job to bring cases to us, but we had broad powers to ask for witnesses and experts to explain things and go over evidence. The prosecutor almost served as more of an assistant to us. In fact, we had the ability to hear evidence/testimony on cases we wished to hear, that the prosecutor did even offer up. I'm sure there are differences from state to state and jurisdiction to jurisdiction. My point is that the members of a hand jury play a very active role in a case, not the passive role one sees on television before a judge.

How does the way this case was presented to the grand jury differ from your experience as a jurer?
All this information is now available online.
BTW not necessarily looking for a change in the outcome.

dbussone 11-25-2014 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 972892)
How does the way this case was presented to the grand jury differ from your experience as a jurer?
All this information is now available online.
BTW not necessarily looking for a change in the outcome.

I see one major difference. This grand jury was a specific case grand jury. The one I served on dealt with more cases over a longer period.

From what I have heard it appears that presentation was likely very similar. I gather that because of comments from the Brown family attorneys who chastised the prosecutor for not taking what they described as a more aggressive role in efforts to sway the jury members. It sounds like the prosecutor was neutral in his presentation....as was my experience.

kcrazorbackfan 11-25-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 972800)
Actually, I don't. I refuse to condemn a whole group for the actions of a few.

The actions of the few? Look at all the RACE riots (not the protests of the Vietnam war) since the 60's, and what race is predominant in them? Sure not us white folk. Sure, there was some white trash there last night, but all the people I could see last night looting and vandalizing the stores, burning the buildings and vehicles were the mistreated, misunderstood, jobless and grabbing every welfare dime they can OTHER race.

CFrance 11-25-2014 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 972917)
The actions of the few? Look at all the RACE riots (not the protests of the Vietnam war) since the 60's, and what race is predominant in them? Sure not us white folk. Sure, there was some white trash there last night, but all the people I could see last night looting and vandalizing the stores, burning the buildings and vehicles were the mistreated, misunderstood, jobless and grabbing every welfare dime they can OTHER race.

Right, the actions of a few, and I repeat, I don't condemn an entire race for those few. I'd sure like to see your statistics on the percentage of blacks rioting vis-a-vis the black population. And why wouldn't blacks be predominant in a race riot? They are the ones who had to work their way up from slavery to freedom.

Rags123 11-25-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 972800)
Actually, I don't. I refuse to condemn a whole group for the actions of a few.


The police would agree with that. And boy do I wish that your thoughts applied to all, but as you know they do not.

Not just race relations, but in politics as well.

BUT, consider that on the media, thus far from what I have heard, there is very little criticism of the folks who burned down a town and changed their lives in a negative way forever. Criticism reserved for POLICE for planning and shooting down blacks for NO reason....OFFICIALS of the city and state for their management of the grand jury and the announcement and so on. Looters come out pretty good

Oh and by the way, Mr Brown is being treated with respect...much more than allowed Ferguson citizens, the police ALL of them being taken down as A GROUP

As another poster alluded to, if only Mr Brown had not stolen the cigars and not attacked the policeman, the city would still be there.....the insurance companies making money and contractors getting in line to try and rebuild the city.

Rags123 11-25-2014 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 972852)
Darren Wilson's legal troubles are far from over. There will be civil lawsuits along with the two Department of Justice investigations. The Ferguson police department is negotiating his departure from their staff. People like him, that get exonerated, have a way of self-destructing...think OJ Simpson and George Zimmerman.

IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place.


Four Ways Officer Darren Wilson And The Ferguson Police Could Still Be Held Accountable In Court | ThinkProgress

" IMO, Wilson's only hope for a future would be to change his name and appearance and move to some far-away place."

GREAT, isn't it...for doing his job and doing it well !!!

After this, you understand a bit why cops have a chip on their shoulder.

pivo 11-25-2014 02:59 PM

Franz --like I said before you have the best quarterback and linebacker and continually lose, the team is a loser, the black race has had over forty years of special treatment, and what have they as a race accomplished ,,, I wish I had the opportunities they get and the ones I refer to is my age and they weren't slaves.


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