[GoodLife]

Lots of people seem to think new gun laws, new mental health laws are needed. As I stated many pages back, there is already a Florida State law that makes any type of school shooting threat a Felony. FBI were tipped twice, once to a youtube post by Cruz saying he wanted to be a professional school shooter. 2nd tip from a friend who said Cruz had guns, was threatening school shootings etc. They did not follow up on 2nd tip at all.

Broward Sheriffs were called to Cruz's home 36 times. Never found a reason to dig deeper. Mental Health professionals were called to investigate Cruz.

Why we need more laws if they can't enforce the ones we already have. I agree with Carl, only solution with any chance of success is harden the target. If they decide to do this you can expect a substantial increase in your property/school taxes as it will be very expensive.

I leave you with the following quote, try and guess who made it.

"This kid exhibited every single known red flag, from killing animals to having a cache of weapons to disruptive behavior to saying he wanted to be a school shooter. If this isn’t a person who should have gotten someone’s attention, I don’t know who is. This was a multi-system failure."

Howard Finkelstein, the Broward County public defender whose office is representing Nikolas Cruz, the suspect in the mass shooting in Parkland, Fla

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by biker1

An "AR-15 style" rifle is not an automatic weapon. Automatic weapons, with a few exceptions such as for collectors with a Federal permit, are illegal in the US. This is a common misconception by those with little knowledge of firearms and sometimes propagated by the media. An AR-15, as with the majority of firearms including handguns and rifles as well as many shotguns, is semi-automatic.

You seem to be an authority on guns, do AR-15s require special bullets or magazines, maybe that is where we should start with BANS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated. Let's face it, give all of us innocent people a chance to defend ourselves. When even bump-stocks have not been banned because the NRA owns our congress, it's time for our state reps and senators to REALLY represent us!!! Is this even possible before we bury some more children. The world is watching and so are our kids. Wake up America!

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jebartle

You seem to be an authority on guns, do AR-15s require special bullets or magazines, maybe that is where we should start with BANS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated. Let's face it, give all of us innocent people a chance to defend ourselves. When even bump-stocks have not been banned because the NRA owns our congress, it's time for our state reps and senators to REALLY represent us!!! Is this even possible before we bury some more children. The world is watching and so are our kids. Wake up America!

Far more people die from the affects of obesity. Should we ban the knife and fork because they make people fat?

[biker1]

I am hardly an authority on firearms. The real expert is "Carl in Tampa". Please see his post #243 for his expert appraisal of the situation.

Originally Posted by jebartle

You seem to be an authority on guns, do AR-15s require special bullets or magazines, maybe that is where we should start with BANS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated. Let's face it, give all of us innocent people a chance to defend ourselves. When even bump-stocks have not been banned because the NRA owns our congress, it's time for our state reps and senators to REALLY represent us!!! Is this even possible before we bury some more children. The world is watching and so are our kids. Wake up America!

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I leave you with the following quote, try and guess who made it.

"This kid exhibited every single known red flag, from killing animals to having a cache of weapons to disruptive behavior to saying he wanted to be a school shooter. If this isn’t a person who should have gotten someone’s attention, I don’t know who is. This was a multi-system failure."

Howard Finkelstein, the Broward County public defender whose office is representing Nikolas Cruz, the suspect in the mass shooting in Parkland, Fla

But does anyone know what the protocol would have been to deal with this kid. There are only a few states that have "red flag laws" allowing the court to take away guns from suspected mentally disturbed individuals and Florida is not one of them. What legally could they do that they did not?

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jebartle

You seem to be an authority on guns, do AR-15s require special bullets or magazines, maybe that is where we should start with BANS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated. Let's face it, give all of us innocent people a chance to defend ourselves. When even bump-stocks have not been banned because the NRA owns our congress, it's time for our state reps and senators to REALLY represent us!!! Is this even possible before we bury some more children. The world is watching and so are our kids. Wake up America!

An AR-15 only requires a magazine that will fit. There are probably tens of millions of them in circulation. The most commonly used ammo is 5.56mm or .223. Which are basically the same thing. Thousands of rifles fire that round, not just AR's. But an AR can be chambered for many different calibers. Eliminating just one will do you no good.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by fw102807

But does anyone know what the protocol would have been to deal with this kid. There are only a few states that have "red flag laws" allowing the court to take away guns from suspected mentally disturbed individuals and Florida is not one of them. What legally could they do that they did not?

Are you reading my whole post? Florida has a law, enacted in 2016, that makes it a Felony to make school shooting threats. Cruz did this verbally and online. If FBI had actually responded to the 2nd tip from someone who knew him, knew he had guns, threatened school shooting etc they or local LEOs could have gone and arrested him for a felony. He made these threats on youtube, Instagram, to actual people, students etc. He had 7-10 rifles. He committed a felony when he made the school shooting threats.

School shooting threats now a felony

School shooting threats now a felony

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Are you reading my whole post? Florida has a law, enacted in 2016, that makes it a Felony to make school shooting threats. Cruz did this verbally and online. If FBI had actually responded to the 2nd tip from someone who knew him, knew he had guns, threatened school shooting etc they or local LEOs could have gone and arrested him for a felony. He made these threats on youtube, Instagram, to actual people, students etc. He had 7-10 rifles. He committed a felony when he made the school shooting threats.

School shooting threats now a felony

School shooting threats now a felony

Sorry, I did miss that information. It is getting to be such a long thread.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by fw102807

Sorry, I did miss that information. It is getting to be such a long thread.

No problem, here is an internet search listing hundreds of arrests made, nationwide, for school shooting THREATS for any who think it's impossible.

arrests made for school shooting threats - Bing

[GoodLife]

and looky here, lots of arrests all over the country in just the last few days, merely for making a threat to shoot up a school.. Doesn't mention any new laws that enabled these arrests. I guess they don't need new laws to do this.

Police made arrests in multiple communities across the country over threats of school shootings in the wake of the tragedy in Parkland, Florida last week.

Police in Wisconsin arrested a 17-year-old after he made statements about planning a shooting at Columbus High School, outside Madison. The student was arrested at his job in Columbus on Friday and jailed on charges of making terroristic threats, according to WMTV in Wisconsin.

The student made comments about planning to cause more casualties than the shooting in Parkland, which took place Feb. 14. Seventeen people died in the that incident.

The student was arrested after several people reported his comments to the district, WMTV said.
"The swift actions by students at the high school to report information to the administration was pivotal in the quick resolution," Columbus Superintendent Annette Deuman wrote in an email to parents, according to WMTV. "We thank them and are proud of them for reporting the information immediately."

In a separate incident, a man was arrested in Appleton, Wisconsin, outside Green Bay, for allegedly sending the FBI a message stating he planned to "shoot up the school," according to NBC 26.

Six people in different parts of Kentucky were arrested over the weekend for allegedly threatening schools in three different counties, according to the Lexington Herald Leader.
Two teens were charged with make terroristic threats after allegedly using the image of an uninvolved third person to make a threat on social media against schools in Jessamine County, outside Lexington.

A middle school student was taken into custody in Clay County after posting a threat on Facebook and three people were arrested in Knox County after also making threats on social media, the Herald leader said.

One of the incidents involved a photo of a boy with a handgun and text that read "Be ready for school monday in Jessamine County." Police determined the boy in the photo was not actually involved in making the threat.

Authorities in New York dealt with numerous threats after the Florida shooting last week as well.

Police make arrests in Wisconsin, Kentucky after school shooting threats | syracuse.com

Originally Posted by GoodLife

No problem, here is an internet search listing hundreds of arrests made, nationwide, for school shooting THREATS for any who think it's impossible.

arrests made for school shooting threats - Bing

This sounds like a very good start.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by jebartle

You seem to be an authority on guns, do AR-15s require special bullets or magazines, maybe that is where we should start with BANS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated. Let's face it, give all of us innocent people a chance to defend ourselves. When even bump-stocks have not been banned because the NRA owns our congress, it's time for our state reps and senators to REALLY represent us!!! Is this even possible before we bury some more children. The world is watching and so are our kids. Wake up America!

The NRA is a convenient target.
The problem is congress and the circle the congress.
A responsible/accountable to we the people congress would not be affected by the NRA .............which happens to be just one special interest/lobbyist/minority groups.

[GoodLife]

IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated.

In this case, there is no need for any laws to be updated. The shooter, Nicholas Cruz, committed a Felony in Florida when he made school shooting threats. Numerous people SAW SOMETHING, AND SAID SOMETHING. FBI and local sheriffs took a coffee break and then DID NOTHING.

[jj6426]

Can someone explain to me how our politicians are indebted to the NRA? I'm not sure I understand it---only that these politicians will not criticize the NRA even if they secretly believe that the gun laws are not effective. Is it just the money? Is it because the NRA subsidizes certain candidates and their parties?

Originally Posted by GoodLife

IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated.

In this case, there is no need for any laws to be updated. The shooter, Nicholas Cruz, committed a Felony in Florida when he made school shooting threats. Numerous people SAW SOMETHING, AND SAID SOMETHING. FBI and local sheriffs took a coffee break and then DID NOTHING.

But this needs to be national, not just in certain states