[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Deputies are guarding the home of the Parkland school shooting officer - Business Insider

And why do you think this Deputy needs armed guards?

He is a hero in danger of NRA assassination squads?

Perhaps Broward County Sheriff Israel does not want him to talk to reporters?

Maybe he just resigned suddenly to spend more time with his family and collect well deserved pension?

[Carl in Tampa]

It is time to consider a system that has proven to be effective since its inception in 1974.

THE ISRAEL MODEL REGARDING SCHOOL SHOOTING PREVENTION IS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. INSTITUTED IN 1974, IT HAS BEEN REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE.

"When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone. It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with TEACHERS KILLING THE TERRORISTS."

Worth repeating: TEACHERS killing the terrorists.

Now. We know what really works. We should do it.

Israel proves the NRA's arguments - Israel National News

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Please...go read your own link.


Without question, this murderer slipped through the cracks on a number of levels...and those cracks need to be addressed.

Just as the failure of those who were armed and are paid to try and stop this kind of thing and instead hid...needs to be addressed.

So we need more laws because shooter "slipped through cracks" and Broward County Deputies were cowards?

New Law: Murderers who slip through cracks are outlawed even if current laws outlaw them, also cowards.

They failed these kids on every possible level. Nothing we do is going to help these kids if nobody does their job.

[ColdNoMore]

Oh, I "get it" very well.

There's a tremendous knee-jerk defensive response ongoing, because the slogan of "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun"...was proved demonstrably false in this particular horrendous act.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Oh, I "get it" very well.

There's a tremendous knee-jerk defensive response ongoing, because the slogan of "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun"...was proved demonstrably false in this horrendous act.

Declaring schools to be gun free zones only provides easy targets.

[billethkid]

A very big difference is considering a coward with a gun = good guy!!

None of us know how we would react in a real shooting situation, however these guys are trained to confront the threat, hence the adverse reaction to their inaction.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Oh, I "get it" very well.

There's a tremendous knee-jerk defensive response ongoing, because the slogan of "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun"...was proved demonstrably false in this particular horrendous act.

Only problem with your theory is the "good guy" was a coward who hid outside and also dropped the ball with numerous chances to arrest the shooter before he killed. The actual good guys were students and teachers that used their own body to protect others.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

It is time to consider a system that has proven to be effective since its inception in 1974.

THE ISRAEL MODEL REGARDING SCHOOL SHOOTING PREVENTION IS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. INSTITUTED IN 1974, IT HAS BEEN REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE.

"When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone. It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with TEACHERS KILLING THE TERRORISTS."

Worth repeating: TEACHERS killing the terrorists.

Now. We know what really works. We should do it.

Israel proves the NRA's arguments - Israel National News

So you're advocating that we emulate Israel's strict gun control laws?

OK...let's do it.

Hey NRA, check out Israel's gun laws | Charley Warady | The Blogs | The Times of Israel

We don’t have mass murders in schools and movie theaters and malls in Israel. A superficial look by any Fox News fanatic would attribute this to the public display of arms that is so common here.

There is nothing further from the truth.

Israel has some of the toughest gun restrictions in the world. The problem is, the world doesn’t know that. For instance; To obtain a gun license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, have no criminal record, be in good health, have no history of mental illness, pass a weapons-training course, and be over a certain age:

20 for women who completed military service or civil service equivalent
21 for men who completed military service or civil service equivalent
27 for those who did not complete military service or civil service equivalent
45 for residents of East Jerusalem.
Gun licenses must be renewed every three years and permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale while HOLDERS FOR SELF-DEFENSE PURPOSES MAY ONLY OWN ONE HANDGUN and MAY PURCHASE A MAXIMUM OF FIFTY ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION A YEAR except for those shot at firing ranges.

Could anyone imagine getting the above laws past the NRA?

And to get that license? Let’s just say you can’t go to a gun show and shell out some cash. In Israel, we take it seriously.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

The president said that no shooter would enter a school where an armed guard posed a threat. Hmmm, maybe if the guard looked like Charles Bronson.

But, but, but, it's not like the shooter went to the school and knew it had an armed resource officer, because if he did...he would have never done it.

Oh wait....

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

But, but, but, it's not like the shooter went to the school and knew it had an armed resource officer, because if he did...he would have never done it.

Oh wait....

Maybe (no actually) the shooter had already met the armed resource officer and knew he was an easily manipulated idiot who would do nothing because he was restrained by feel good hug a thug policies and smelled like a coward.

Oh wait...oops

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Maybe (no actually) the shooter had already met the armed resource officer and knew he was an easily manipulated idiot who would do nothing because he was restrained by feel good hug a thug policies and smelled like a coward.

Oh wait...oops

LOL

I'm curious to know the test that guarantees how a person (whether LEO or teacher) will act under pressure...when actually faced with this situation?

If they can't weed out the 'cowards' (your word) in the Sheriff's department, exactly how will this be accomplished...with armed teachers in the classroom?


I think my earlier post kinda sums it up....

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

An all too large swath of 2nd Amendment extremists, have this Walter Mitty notion of one day being 'a hero'...and saving the day.

Not that there are very many that will actually admit to having this fantasy of course.

Time for some shuteye.

[GoodLife]

If Peterson had charged in and immediately been shot you could maybe argue that outcome was a rebuttal to the NRA line, i.e. a good guy was there but nothing changed. But in this case, the “good guy” never tried to engage the shooter. So unless the NRA claims, “To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a guy standing around outside doing nothing,” this is not any kind of rebuttal.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

If Peterson had charged in and immediately been shot you could maybe argue that outcome was a rebuttal to the NRA line, i.e. a good guy was there but nothing changed. But in this case, the “good guy” never tried to engage the shooter. So unless the NRA claims, “To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a guy standing around outside doing nothing,” this is not any kind of rebuttal.

Report: Other deputies waited outside during Parkland shooting - UPI.com

Feb. 24 (UPI) -- At least two additional deputies waited outside a Florida high school during a shooting last week, two nearby city police officers told the Broward County Sheriff's Office.

At least three officers, including the resigned School Resource Officer Scot Peterson, didn't attempt to find the killer, Coral Springs Police told Israel.

G'night.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

So you're advocating that we emulate Israel's strict gun control laws?

OK...let's do it.

Hey NRA, check out Israel's gun laws | Charley Warady | The Blogs | The Times of Israel

The blogger you quote shows extreme ignorance of gun laws in America. He lists requirements for "obtaining a gun license in Israel" as being "some of the toughest in the world" and yet they are almost identical to the requirements for getting a concealed weapons license in Florida. The difference is that of course you need not have lived in Israel and there are no tiers of age restrictions.

In 2015, after a particularly bloody Jerusalem shooting attack that killed four, then-Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan drastically changed the gun laws in order to significantly raise the number of armed civilians on the streets. Instantly, graduates of Special Forces units and IDF officers with the rank of Lieutenant and above were permitted to purchase guns at their will, security guards were allowed to bring their guns home after work, and the minimum age for a license was reduced from 21 to 18.

Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat called for every resident to carry a gun, and was even photographed traveling the city carrying a Glock 23.

In addition, the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in Israel are stopped by armed civilians, not law enforcement. For example, the terrorists in the 2016 Sarona market attack were stopped by armed passersby. A pistol-carrying tour guide put an end to the 2017 ramming attack in Arnona that left four soldiers dead.

Gun control has been proven to be a dismal failure in Israel. The Israeli Arab communities are rife with illegal weapons, with some police estimates putting the number of unlicensed weapons in the Arab sector as high as 500,000. Think about that for a second: The most heavily guarded borders in the world and a highly professional Shin Bet are still not enough to prevent criminals from obtaining illegal firearms.

Again: Emulate the Israel model to stop school shootings.