[Patty55]

Originally Posted by SpicyCajunPugs

I still don't understand your responses as I did answer and I will copy and post that section from post 59: "George was a investigator for a mortgage forclosure investigation/fraud company, and Shellie was going to Nursing School.". I consider that honorable work and education, not a "NO JOB". There is nothing roundabout about my answer in post 59, and I will once again say that I never said they were innocent, just not proven guilty. Can I respectfully ask you what your point is with your statements and questions?

The wife is 26 and was going to nursing school=NO JOB.
George was an investigator....=NO JOB, not a real one anyway.

IMO, these two are BUNKIES with too much time on their hands. Thank God they didn't breed.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Originally Posted by Patty55

The wife is 26 and was going to nursing school=NO JOB.
George was an investigator....=NO JOB, not a real one anyway.

IMO, these two are BUNKIES with too much time on their hands. Thank God they didn't breed.

Wow, Oh Wow....I am speechless, maybe for the first time in my life!!!

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by buggyone

What word would you use for someone who has killed another person besides "killer"?

In my mind the unmodified term "killer" is a pejorative term. Perhaps someone with a less nuanced vocabulary would see it differently.

I would not apply the term to anyone who killed someone if that person was justified in the killing by virtue of doing so in the line of duty, such as law enforcement officers or military personnel.

The same would apply to someone cleared by a trial of criminal charges related to a homicide.

On a related subject, Zimmerman did not use the Stand Your Ground law as a defense at his trial. I believe the judge made reference to it in the jury instructions. If so, it would be because the judge thought it contributed to the elements of the case.


As a retired law enforcement officer, having served at both the local and federal levels, with an aggregate of almost forty years of experience, I support the law. "Shall issue" concealed weapons laws and the stand your ground laws have contributed to a safer public.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

In my mind the unmodified term "killer" is a pejorative term. Perhaps someone with a less nuanced vocabulary would see it differently.

I would not apply the term to anyone who killed someone if that person was justified in the killing by virtue of doing so in the line of duty, such as law enforcement officers or military personnel.

The same would apply to someone cleared by a trial of criminal charges related to a homicide.

On a related subject, Zimmerman did not use the Stand Your Ground law as a defense at his trial. I believe the judge made reference to it in the jury instructions. If so, it would be because the judge thought it contributed to the elements of the case.


As a retired law enforcement officer, having served at both the local and federal levels, with an aggregate of almost forty years of experience, I support the law. "Shall issue" concealed weapons laws and the stand your ground laws have contributed to a safer public.

Very astute, fair and educated statements. Thanks for the help in educating people about the reality of the legal system, no matter how hard it is to swallow

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

In my mind the unmodified term "killer" is a pejorative term. Perhaps someone with a less nuanced vocabulary would see it differently.

I would not apply the term to anyone who killed someone if that person was justified in the killing by virtue of doing so in the line of duty, such as law enforcement officers or military personnel.

The same would apply to someone cleared by a trial of criminal charges related to a homicide.

On a related subject, Zimmerman did not use the Stand Your Ground law as a defense at his trial. I believe the judge made reference to it in the jury instructions. If so, it would be because the judge thought it contributed to the elements of the case.


As a retired law enforcement officer, having served at both the local and federal levels, with an aggregate of almost forty years of experience, I support the law. "Shall issue" concealed weapons laws and the stand your ground laws have contributed to a safer public.

This entire thing about Zimmie being not guilty or getting away with a killing is over. The jury found him not guilty - just like Casey Anthony - and therefore should be dropped. If Zimmie does stupid things now, he just going to end up owing Shellie a ton of money in divorce.

No more from me on this subject.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by buggyone

This entire thing about Zimmie being not guilty or getting away with a killing is over. The jury found him not guilty - just like Casey Anthony - and therefore should be dropped. If Zimmie does stupid things now, he just going to end up owing Shellie a ton of money in divorce.

No more from me on this subject.

But don't forget, George Zimmerman is still being investigated by the Justice Department for a hate crime. They seized all the evidence from the trial, including Zimmerman's gun, as soon as he was acquitted. They are probably looking at every word he ever uttered to see if Trayvon Martin's civil rights were violated under the hate crimes law that President Obama signed in 2010.

[BobnBev]

"Jumping to Conclusions" is truly an Olympic sport here on TOTV.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

"Jumping to Conclusions" is truly an Olympic sport here on TOTV.

with many many gold meadalists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Patty55

MAN, why do they always backpaddle? I guess the answer is NO JOB.

I'm sure that as a paralegal you are aware that the courts do not judge anyone "innocent" and that innocent is not the same as "not guilty", but that is not the issue here. My question was "Do they work? Have they ever?" Thank you for your roundabout answer.

I really do not see a connection between murder and having no jobs. The statistics do not seem to back this up either. Does Unemployment Presage Crime? - WSJ.com

And as to jobs, I got into about 12 Marquis Who's Who publications from 1992 through 2002 (and nominated for 24)--like Marquis Who's Who in the World, 12th Ed, 1995 (page 622)-- because of all the free time I had because of a blackball placed on me by very powerful people for fighting for better access to practical information for survivors of crimes. I had wanted to be honest about a niche in services for survivors of crimes in law libraries in the United States and basically got laughed out of the law librarianship profession. Being unemployed does not quickly translate as not being useful to other people as I have done wonders with my free time as I am sure many other people who have had the misfortune of not working have done. George Zimmerman was a doing a worthwhile job as neighborhood watch coordinator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin , he just did a very poor job of it when he went after Trayvon Martin without waiting for the police. He could have kept an eye on Martin from his car to see if he was up to no good and instead forced a very bad situation. He did murder Martin, weather or not it was justified homicide or not probably will never be known for certain except by George Zimmerman and God.

George Zimmerman was working as an insurance underwriter when the Trayvon Martin shooting happened and probably now would have a very hard time in getting any type of job because of his notoriety. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83O18H20120425 Not sure what jobs Zimmerman's wife held but she is a licensed cosmologist.

From Reuters article:

In 2007 he married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, and in 2009 the couple rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had bounced from job to job for a couple of years, working at a car dealership and a mortgage company. At times, according to testimony from Shellie at a bond hearing for Zimmerman last week, the couple filed for unemployment benefits.

Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.

[Patty55]

My comments had nothing to do with the killing of TM (remember there was no murder). I thought we were discussing the recent fiasco, the one with the bride prancing around with her ipad and George once again (IMO)acting the fool. Once again, nobody can get their story straight, LE is spending money to take the ipad apart and forensically see who the liar is. These two have way too much time on their hands.

Does unemployment effect the murder rate? IDK, I guess it would depend on your line of work, maybe if you were a hitman.

[buggyone]

"Jumping to Conclusions" is truly an Olympic sport here on TOTV.

with many many gold meadalists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

_____________________

...and so is spelling!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Patty55

My comments had nothing to do with the killing of TM (remember there was no murder). I thought we were discussing the recent fiasco, the one with the bride prancing around with her ipad and George once again (IMO)acting the fool. Once again, nobody can get their story straight, LE is spending money to take the ipad apart and forensically see who the liar is. These two have way too much time on their hands.

Does unemployment effect the murder rate? IDK, I guess it would depend on your line of work, maybe if you were a hitman.

Well, maybe you are right about that one. Believe that many women who have had problems with their husbands with respect to physical and/or emotional abuse often recant their stories because of the love they feel for their husbands. The state often has to force them to act against their spouses. A penpal of mine over the past 10 years or so wrote a good book about this. She managed to eventually get away. [ame]http://www.amazon.com/Totally-Discombobulated-Evelyn-Fort-Stewart/dp/0755200594[/ame]

http://books.google.com/books?id=Fon...ulated&f=false

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Patty55

My comments had nothing to do with the killing of TM (remember there was no murder). I thought we were discussing the recent fiasco, the one with the bride prancing around with her ipad and George once again (IMO)acting the fool. Once again, nobody can get their story straight, LE is spending money to take the ipad apart and forensically see who the liar is. These two have way too much time on their hands.

Does unemployment effect the murder rate? IDK, I guess it would depend on your line of work, maybe if you were a hitman.

Over 2700 views and 88 posts on these clowns, I would wager to say we all have too much times on our hands.

[billethkid]

knot me!

[quirky3]

"Bad spellers of the world....untie!!"