some how the intentions the above statement do not relate to what is going on here and now. Who knows what would have transpired at Ellis Island if all the rules of entry were set aside and advertised in their home lands to come on over and don't worry about the laws or a place to live or eat or be cared for.

The intentions of the past and since were not what the intentions of today's wide open Southern Border are attempting.

In my opinion.[/QUOTE]

It IS quite a long stretch to compare the two for sure..actually, I am unable to see any comparisons. But......and we do not know the intentions for sure...and that is what is scary !

Gracie,

I think it's fair to say that Mother Jones aligns on the far left side of the political spectrum. Their stated mission of Mother Jones "...is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world."

Michael Moore worked there for a while as the Editor before he got fired over an internal dispute.

The Mother Jones stated mission is your evidence that it is far left? What part?

No, I'm not saying that the mission statement per se is what definitively categorizes MJ as far left. I've read the magazine intermittently over the years and reached that conclusion way before Gracie asked the question.

However, the mission statement does provide insight if you read between the lines ... to wit, MJ talks about "..inspiring a more just and democratic world." That certainly sounds laudatory, wouldn't you agree? But they are code words within the context of what they publish in general. (both sides of the spectrum use code words btw ... different words in different context etc)

In practice, MJ is very sympathetic towards, and supports advancement of the worldwide "socialist" cause. I believe anyone who actually reads MJ will recognize what I said is objectively true. That's also not to say that the article and photo about earlier generations of child immigrants, and from where Gracie's question came, was out of place. The article was pertinent. However, I'm also saying, MJ is for all intents and purposes a far left publication.

Anyway, let's get back to the topic of give me your tired etc.

I say, build a wall, deport the illegals, welcome all LEGAL immigrants and in the meantime, put diplomatic and, if needed, military pressure on the government of Mexico. They are allowing these people passage thru their territory. It is an act of quasi-war IMHO.

Also, ironically enough, had the US Army remained in Mexico in 1847-48, we could have prevented this whole mess, annexed all of Mexico and got on with things. Then the US and the Mexicans would have both been better of under the US Constitution, the heritage of English law and a free market economy. (but that's another thread ... which I may do TBD)

Just read this morning in the San Antonio newspaper and adds to our conversation on this law.....

" President Barack Obama can take action to relieve much of the crisis caused by tens of thousands of unaccompanied children crossing the southern U.S. border without waiting for what is likely to be a contentious and lengthy congressional battle, say two key lawmakers, one Democrat and the other, Republican.

" Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the author of the provision in the human trafficking law, said a change in regulations, not the law, could speed the children's return.

The law already allows the departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services to write regulations to deal with “exceptional circumstances” that would allow officials to return the children more quickly to their home countries, Feinstein said."

Obama may hold fix to flood of immigrant kids - San Antonio Express-News

Let us hope there is more action.....National Guard is costly and hopefully is only short term.

I doubt if all the parents of the current influx of children meet the criteria of bravery. I truly believe some of them are using this situation to improve their own quality of life, and their sending us their children is analogous to having an abortion.

How crass.

That's the nature of reality.

Another outlook.....

"New York Times writer Frances Robles wrote in June, "Many (unaccompanied children migrants) say they are going because they believe the United States treats migrant children traveling alone and women with their children more leniently than adult illegal immigrants with no children."


Read more at Why thousands of migrant children are crossing the U.S. border alone | Deseret News National

:BigApplause: understated! Thnx. Cyndi!

I am trying to stay away from the name calling and actually find out WHY children are showing up alone......gave a few and here is another...

"With the invasion now taking place, it is going to explode. No parents means that any immigrant child under 18 can apply for a Green Card as soon as they are deemed “abandoned” by their parents for 6 months by the court system. There are some other minor rules, but that is the big one…."

From the same source....

"What nobody is talking about (or maybe nobody has realized yet) is that this is going to flood the child welfare courts FIRST, before they get to the USCIS (certain findings of fact which can only be made by the state are prerequisites to SIJS applications) with a sudden influx of “abandoned” children, and put a strain on the CPS system like nothing that has ever been seen.”

Immigration Reform|Special Immigrant Juvenile Status

I was not aware of most of this and each days reading makes me a bit more concerned and angry at the same time. I wish everyone would try to read about this and what is happening BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT US IN THE FUTURE !!! I do not know who those border states can handle this.

I have lived in a border state and it has been a strain for MANY years. This sitituation will be an impossible burden to bear.

The people who know best and firsthand what the problem is are those that now live on the border. They are the states always thought of as religious and traditional and so they are frequently dismissed by the people who don't hold to that stuff. Sad to me.

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That statue was given to us by France. Their inscription not necessarily ours.

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DEFINE OURS. ....don't believe for a minute thes sentiments shown on this thread even begin to represent the masses. This is a minority opinion!

YET...on the other hand.......

"The President may be preparing to provide temporary legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants

When President Obama issues executive orders on immigration in coming weeks, pro-reform activists are expecting something dramatic: temporary relief from deportation and work authorization for perhaps several million undocumented immigrants."

Immigration Reform: Obama May Provide Legal Status to Millions - TIME

"In a fiery speech at the Los Angeles Convention Center on Saturday, U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) said he was confident after meeting with President Obama last week that the president will move forward in the coming months with an executive order that would grant legal status to millions of immigrants in the country illegally, possibly including the parents of American-born children."

Congressman optimistic Obama will grant immigrants legal status - LA Times


So....only time will tell !!!! All conjecture at this point.

President Obama has the legal authority to write Executive Orders and if Congress cannot agree on viable compromises, the Executive Order is a good way to make sure action is taken.

All Presidents have used Executive Orders.

Thanks for the info. I really didn't know about Mother Jones until they released the Romney 47% video. Still don't follow it. As far as the US Army remaining in Mexico in 1847-48, that would mean that there would be no Cinco de Mayo celebration. Removing that from my holiday calendar would be painful.

This thread is not about Executive Orders but immigration reform or lack there of !!! That term was simply used by the sources to describe the action.

Not sure with whom you are discussing this subject !!???

You are getting into politics and that is not allowed on here.

But Buggy, It seems clear that even the Washington Post is saying that more than half polled favor deportation. It isn't wise to go against public opinion in a Democracy. I think the Washington Post is usually considered to be a paper leaning left?

My post was about immigration reform and a method of accomplishing it. The only thing political was explaining that Executive Orders can legally be used. You might say is is an education lesson but not political by any means.

The discussion is for the forum and not directed at any poster.

I remember other Presidents who have gone against public opinion such as LBJ and GWBush. I am not agreeing nor disagreeing on deportation but just mentioned that Executive Orders are a legal method of achieving immigration policy.

As long as E.O. remains Executive Order and not Executive Overreach, eh?

An act of Congress sounds better than executive orders. Hmmm, maybe we should revisit the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.

Who wrote the inscription? I would take out two parts:

1) give me your tired: Why would we want tired people? We want energetic people who are ready to roll up their sleeves and go to work. Tired people will go on welfare.

2) the wretched refuse: This sounds like nothing but trouble. They could be criminals, the lame and those with diseases. More welfare recipients.

Instead, they should add this to the inscription: Give me your law-abiding legal immigrants who are ready to work rather than collect welfare.

This post is way way out of line and folks have to read a bit of history. This country has a rich history of immigration, but in my opinion, it has to be done the correct way.

If this was meant to be funny, I didnt laugh but apologize for interrupting the fun.

Well, here is a bit of reading for you.....

This, to me is a beginning albeit a bit late...

" President Barack Obama urged the leaders of three Central American countries on Friday to work with him to stem the flow of child migrants who have surged across the U.S. border and warned that most of them would not be allowed to stay."

However, it is not that simple....

"Obama's drive to tackle the migrant crisis with $3.7 billion in emergency government funds is in trouble because the deeply divided Congress leaves on a month-long recess late next week and is increasingly unlikely to approve the money.

Republicans want Democrats to agree to a change in a 2008 anti-trafficking law to speed deportations before agreeing to a pared-down version of Obama's request. Democrats do not want to speed deportations of children with links to Hispanic-Americans, who are an important Democratic voting bloc."

Obama tells Central American leaders most children will go home | Reuters

It appears from reading tea leaves.......this all stalls and the President grants amnesty to millions by executive order. This gets him his votes and that appears to be the driving force.

If you read earlier in this thread....that 2008 law needing to be fixed was paramount to everybody....even Democrats. THEN

"House Republicans Friday were mulling a border supplemental spending bill that would give President Obama only a fraction of his $3.7 billion request, but a looming fight over a 2008 deportation law now threatens to derail any deal at all.

Democrats were already likely to balk at the small size of the $900 million spending package Republicans are currently mulling. But Democrats have complicated the deal by walking back their initial support for provision in the bill that would make it easier to speed deportations of children back to their homes in Central America."


Democratic reversal on 2008 law playing role in border bill breakdown | WashingtonExaminer.com

I said earlier in this thread and will repeat it as if anyone cared what I think.....but playing for votes in this particular issue is disgusting to me. Are these people, and I speak of both sides of the aisle just in this for the votes ? What ever happened to statesmen ?

And all of this jockeying going on while border states are bring overwhelmed. Those states are suffering while the other states argue over what to do. All the while these children that so many claim to concerned about are pawns in this pathetic gamesmanship. This situation benefits no one,.