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buggyone 07-21-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 911017)
If some of you think we are doing the "compassionate" thing for these children, I highly encourage you Google search images of these children and see the deplorable conditions they are currently being housed. Truly a sad situation and we should be ashamed. These are children ranging in age from 5 to 17.

...and for how many years did they endure much worse conditions from where they came?

We should have them resettled as soon as possible.

jbdlfan 07-21-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 911024)
...and for how many years did they endure much worse conditions from where they came?

Not sure how relevant that is when we are supposed to be the compassionate ones. We have thousands of children living in buildings and rooms made for hundreds. This is the best we can do? Katrina all over again.....just lacking the images on the news.....

buggyone 07-21-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 911031)
Not sure how relevant that is when we are supposed to be the compassionate ones. We have thousands of children living in buildings and rooms made for hundreds. This is the best we can do? Katrina all over again.....just lacking the images on the news.....

The second part of my post did not make it to the quote. It is "we should get them resettled as quickly as possible."

As far as the images on the news, look at the " sources" for the pictures. Not too reliable.

janmcn 07-21-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 911031)
Not sure how relevant that is when we are supposed to be the compassionate ones. We have thousands of children living in buildings and rooms made for hundreds. This is the best we can do? Katrina all over again.....just lacking the images on the news.....

Gov Rick Perry is sending a thousand of his armed National Guardsmen to the border today to confront the children. This should make for some interesting images on the news.

billethkid 07-21-2014 03:05 PM

has the compassion taken care of those kids/youngsters born here or here legally in similar or worse conditions here in the USA?

How much of the free stuff being made available for the "illegals" is also available for those LEGALS in need here in the USA?

How many votes could be in that.....not enough obviously.

Rags123 07-21-2014 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 911045)
Gov Rick Perry is sending a thousand of his armed National Guardsmen to the border today to confront the children. This should make for some interesting images on the news.


This deployment requires WH approval, which I assume he will get as the President has already said he is 'open" to this.

Instead of "confront the children", I think it is to enforce United States Law, and to try and secure the border !

Just another way of saying it I guess

By the way..someone not worrying about how he looks but doing what is right would be refreshing !

Rags123 07-21-2014 03:15 PM

I am not sure if the posts mentioning the children are another attempt at laying guilt on any American who believes in the LAW of the country and enforcement thereof, along with the security that is supposed to be provided at our border.

If it is, count me as one who does not feel guilty and I assure you I have compassion and tolerance in abundance.

I see nobody feeling any compassion for those who have their lives unsettled by this rush on our border.

EVERYONE prays for those children, hope they are not being taken advantage of, and wish them well. It will NOT get better as times goes on...only worse.

Rags123 07-21-2014 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 911048)
This deployment requires WH approval, which I assume he will get as the President has already said he is 'open" to this.

Instead of "confront the children", I think it is to enforce United States Law, and to try and secure the border !

Just another way of saying it I guess

PS...He really does not NEED WH approval. If he doesnt get it, he pays.

janmcn 07-21-2014 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 911073)
PS...He really does not NEED WH approval. If he doesnt get it, he pays.

Gov Perry is already asking for federal funds to pay for this deployment, but if congress doesn't approve the funds the president requested, Perry will be on his own.

janmcn 07-21-2014 04:35 PM

Gov Rick Perry is being praised for sending the national guard to the border to inform the child invaders that there is no health care available in Texas for children.

graciegirl 07-21-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 911112)
Gov Rick Perry is being praised for sending the national guard to the border to inform the child invaders that there is no health care available in Texas for children.

Sometimes people have to understand that they can't spend more than they make, can't keep having children, giving money to good causes. We first have to pay the bills and take care of our own. That doesn't mean we are unfeeling people. It just means that those who think like we do are the ones that have to clean up the messes and pay the bills for the ones who aren't practical..

Rags123 07-21-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 911080)
A poster early on had a good answer to part of this problem, but it was removed apparently for being too po*****al. Why, I don't know, because many posts after that have been more you-know-what than hers. Anyway, it had to do with limiting the amount of time people could be in office so as to take *******s out of the equation.

Did not see that post. Was it referring to the WH, or what ?

There are TWO discussions getting all bunched together.

1. The current, immediate problem with those folks from Central America. Caused by amnesty in 2012, insecure borders and lack of applying our law, and the 2008 humanitarian law being used as cover.

Recall the amnesty, enforce the law...secure our borders....alter the 2008 law.

2. Overall immigration reform. THIS has become political, and these folks (immigrants) are being used as pawns. Until the WH, Senate and House, at minimum talk to each other, we are in trouble.

Not sure term limits would work....there are pluses, but it will not change the man/woman

Rags123 07-21-2014 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 911112)
Gov Rick Perry is being praised for sending the national guard to the border to inform the child invaders that there is no health care available in Texas for children.

That message should have been delivered a long time ago when Perry and Brewer first began to talk about the problem.

Enforce the law...respect the law

Rags123 07-21-2014 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 911078)
Gov Perry is already asking for federal funds to pay for this deployment, but if congress doesn't approve the funds the president requested, Perry will be on his own.

If they approve the amount the President requested, they should all be impeached, and if they even discuss it before enforcing existing law and getting the border halfway secure, there needs to be public outcry

graciegirl 07-21-2014 05:03 PM

It looks ugly Buggy. But it is the law...and many of us think something has to be done to stop this.

billethkid 07-21-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 911112)
Gov Rick Perry is being praised for sending the national guard to the border to inform the child invaders that there is no health care available in Texas for children.

That is one interpretation that apparently accomplishes something for somebody, however that is not what he is doing!!

perrjojo 07-21-2014 06:09 PM

Let each family who is in favor of allowing these children into the US take 2 or 3 into their home. If we allow these children in, someone must care for them. Institutions and camps are NOT a nurturing environment for children. Who among us will love them..guide them and help them grow into responsible adults and good US citizens? The government can't do that. Only you and I can do that. If you think this is a good idea, sign up to take some of these children into your care.

TexaninVA 07-21-2014 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 911024)
...and for how many years did they endure much worse conditions from where they came?

We should have them resettled as soon as possible.

Ok, here we go again. You say "we" should resettle them soonest etc.

However, I say this is NOT America's problem. The world is full of misery, and always has been. We cannot take everyone on board without sinking the ship.

Thus, instead of saying in effect, someone else needs to solve it, I am still waiting for you or Tennisnut to lead by example. Invite 4 or 5 illegal aliens to come live with you, and then come back and tell us about it.

TexaninVA 07-21-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 911045)
Gov Rick Perry is sending a thousand of his armed National Guardsmen to the border today to confront the children. This should make for some interesting images on the news.

In addition to deploying the military (which I support), the USG needs to demand that Mexico stop the illegal alien flow and make them pay a price (diplomatic, economic or military) if they don't. This is the topic no one ever talks about ... why not??

This is an invasion in every sense of the word except that no shots are being fired.

perrjojo 07-21-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 911197)
Ok, here we go again. You say "we" should resettle them soonest etc.

However, I say this is NOT America's problem. The world is full of misery, and always has been. We cannot take everyone on board without sinking the ship.

Thus, instead of saying in effect, someone else needs to solve it, I am still waiting for you or Tennisnut to lead by example. Invite 4 or 5 illegal aliens to come live with you, and then come back and tell us about it.

Amen...maybe because we both seem to be Texans we better understand the problem of illegal immigration. Who will love these children? You can't just throw money and government programs at them and make it all better. They are children and they need families who love and care about them.... Not some "resettlement camp".

jbdlfan 07-21-2014 06:39 PM

OK, I get all the hyperbole over cost, morals and the such. I ask, what do you do with these kids now? What if we can't figure out where they came from? What if they are truly orphans or unable to find their families? There are thousands of these kids. Send them back? Where? This is a terrible situation that does not have the easy answers everyone professes to have.

Rags123 07-21-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 911202)
Amen...maybe because we both seem to be Texans we better understand the problem of illegal immigration. Who will love these children? You can't just throw money and government programs at them and make it all better. They are children and they need families who love and care about them.... Not some "resettlement camp".

There are those who have only one response..ie., play that card that reduces everyone to unsympathetic, intolerant, racist, and try to lay guilt.

There is no discussion of the real issue; simply an attempt to place guilt in your lap.

Steve & Deanna 07-21-2014 06:43 PM

I'm taking the easy way out and go golfing. Seriously, what will the world do when the US runs OUT OF MONEY and we are taxed at 100%?

eweissenbach 07-21-2014 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 911204)
OK, I get all the hyperbole over cost, morals and the such. I ask, what do you do with these kids now? What if we can't figure out where they came from? What if they are truly orphans or unable to find their families? There are thousands of these kids. Send them back? Where? This is a terrible situation that does not have the easy answers everyone professes to have.

True... If there were easy answers, there would be no problem. God knows our politicians love easy!

Rags123 07-21-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdlfan (Post 911204)
OK, I get all the hyperbole over cost, morals and the such. I ask, what do you do with these kids now? What if we can't figure out where they came from? What if they are truly orphans or unable to find their families? There are thousands of these kids. Send them back? Where? This is a terrible situation that does not have the easy answers everyone professes to have.


First of all, the official word is that they will be deported. Of course that is based on the assumption they actually turn up at a hearing.

Secondly, and please do not take this personally, but where was everyone when the governors of the border states were yelling for the last year(s) about this. These states were left on their own, and their simple request was....enforce United States Law !

Steve & Deanna 07-21-2014 06:51 PM

One of the most LEGAL immigrants, Vito Androlini from Corleone, Sicily.....and the guy at the desk couldn't spell Androlini so into the US came Vito Corleone. Just watched Godfather Part II for the umpteenth time yesterday. Now that was controlled immigration.

billethkid 07-21-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 911212)
First of all, the official word is that they will be deported. Of course that is based on the assumption they actually turn up at a hearing.

Secondly, and please do not take this personally, but where was everyone when the governors of the border states were yelling for the last year(s) about this. These states were left on their own, and their simple request was....enforce United States Law !

On the subject of deportation, just google and do some research on actual deportations VS court order to do so. One conclusion will be very obvious. What are there so many that have not been put out of the country as ordered?
Total lack of enforcement. Judge slams the gavel says thou shalt be deported. Then Mr./Ms. X goes back to work, scholl or building a bomb!!!!
No fear of being arrested.

This is of course not discussed much....either.

Tennisnut 07-21-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 911046)
has the compassion taken care of those kids/youngsters born here or here legally in similar or worse conditions here in the USA?

How much of the free stuff being made available for the "illegals" is also available for those LEGALS in need here in the USA?

How many votes could be in that.....not enough obviously.

Lets save the free stuff for the "legals" for another day. That's another post about how all the "legals" are abusing the welfare system and don't want to work. You know-how we all worked hard for where we got and today everyone wants a handout. Please don't confuse and already confusing situation full of innuendo and disinformation!

graciegirl 07-21-2014 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 911227)
Lets save the free stuff for the "legals" for another day. That's another post about how all the "legals" are abusing the welfare system and don't want to work. You know-how we all worked hard for where we got and today everyone wants a handout. Please don't confuse and already confusing situation full of innuendo and disinformation!


I asked this earlier but no answer.
Could you explain your posts on this thread in one sentence? Somehow I am not understanding.

perrjojo 07-21-2014 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 911227)
Lets save the free stuff for the "legals" for another day. That's another post about how all the "legals" are abusing the welfare system and don't want to work. You know-how we all worked hard for where we got and today everyone wants a handout. Please don't confuse and already confusing situation full of innuendo and disinformation!

What are YOU willing to do for these children? What do YOU see as an answer?

sunnyatlast 07-21-2014 07:28 PM

No need for concern about who will lovingly care for and nurture the children better than the camp squalor they're in now. Their parents will be crossing the borders soon, or are already here illegally with their government-provided lawyers and U.S.-born Anchor Babies, pleading "the parents here can't leave their U.S. Citizen anchor babies here alone, where they have a right to live and get a college education."

That's been the strategy all along, by design of the bleeding hearts who have no use for pesky laws. Get the kids onto U.S. soil, where their parents "are needed to take care of them" and "it would be inhumane to separate parent and child and the child has to stay...so the parent has to stay also".

zcaveman 07-21-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by zcaveman (Post 910247)
Just out of curiosity, where did you get this quote from?

Z

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 910250)
I sang it in high school. Are you an American citizen? If so, you should know where it comes from. If not, google will answer your question.

CFRANCE: I am still waiting for the answer. I cannot find it anywhere.

Please give me the answer I BEG you.

PS: If anyone knows the answer Please let me know.

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Many try to place guilt on those of us who believe in the proper execution of law. It does not work on me for one.

I welcome all humanity, but within the law, not outside it based on political philosophy if that is the driver to NOT execute existing law, nor to address what is obviously the trigger for the current problem.

I feel guilty mostly for not being able to help those who are being required to care for those who came here under false pretenses, not matter how those pretenses were manufactured.

I feel guilty for the inaction of our government as a whole to address the situation and how it will affect us in the future.

I feel guilty for those all over the world being killed and maimed...in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Israel. I feel guilty for those who go to bed each night with a threat hanging over their head.

I do not feel guilty for wanting my countries laws to be respected, followed and adhered to.

Mr Buggyone, your comment is extremely offensive to anyone who really cares about humanity, because if anyone cares about humanity, that would also include citizens of this country, that would include those suffering as a result of the run on our borders.

These folks were not attacked by us......

No, I feel not one single iota of guilt, but as you did on another thread Mr Buggyone, your attempt at laying guilt at everyones feet without addressing the problem is apparent.

The thread was not and should not be political. It is a concern about what our country stands for. Your response is the political response of the day and goes to solve nothing.

No, I stand tall, proud of my TOLERANCE and will not accept an attempt to use a tactic such as you have in your post.

CFrance 07-21-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by zcaveman (Post 911257)
CFRANCE: I am still waiting for the answer. I cannot find it anywhere.

Please give me the answer I BEG you.

PS: If anyone knows the answer Please let me know.

Quote below:

Many try to place guilt on those of us who believe in the proper execution of law. It does not work on me for one.

I welcome all humanity, but within the law, not outside it based on political philosophy if that is the driver to NOT execute existing law, nor to address what is obviously the trigger for the current problem.

I feel guilty mostly for not being able to help those who are being required to care for those who came here under false pretenses, not matter how those pretenses were manufactured.

I feel guilty for the inaction of our government as a whole to address the situation and how it will affect us in the future.

I feel guilty for those all over the world being killed and maimed...in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Israel. I feel guilty for those who go to bed each night with a threat hanging over their head.

I do not feel guilty for wanting my countries laws to be respected, followed and adhered to.

Mr Buggyone, your comment is extremely offensive to anyone who really cares about humanity, because if anyone cares about humanity, that would also include citizens of this country, that would include those suffering as a result of the run on our borders.

These folks were not attacked by us......

No, I feel not one single iota of guilt, but as you did on another thread Mr Buggyone, your attempt at laying guilt at everyones feet without addressing the problem is apparent.

The thread was not and should not be political. It is a concern about what our country stands for. Your response is the political response of the day and goes to solve nothing.

No, I stand tall, proud of my TOLERANCE and will not accept an attempt to use a tactic such as you have in your post.

Z, somebody else answered it. It is a poem by Emma Lazarus that was later put to music (when I sang it in high school) but before that was placed on the base of the Statue of Liberty after a fundraiser was conducted to have it placed there. It has nothing to do with p***tics, but I still cannot believe that if you grew up in the US, you didn't learn about this in American history class.

Plus the way you stated your question, referring to it as "the long-winded one," raised my hackles. The question didn't have to be raised in such a rude manner. I hate rude, and it makes me respond shortly. And if you really googled it, you would have found it. I did.

DONKEY10 07-21-2014 08:03 PM

Yeah a high wall from SanDiego to Texas and from Maine to Vancouver and man it with the army. Who cares how it looks we protecting our borders. You do not have a country without borders.

CFrance 07-21-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 911241)
What are YOU willing to do for these children? What do YOU see as an answer?

I remember after the Vietnam war that many people sent their children over to the US. Churches sponsored them, found them families/homes, and sent them to school. One of them was a very intelligent lady who later was hired by my husband after she graduated from college, and was a superb employee.

Then there were the lost boys from the Sudan, many of whom were also brought over here by church sponsorship and given homes and education. There will be people willing to sponsor these children and find homes for them.

I'm not saying what's right and what's wrong. I can't even decide what my feeling is on all this. But I am saying that these children need help, and there will be families to step up to help those that are allowed in. Maybe I'm naive, but I do not believe that they are being used as pawns so their parents can enter the country later. As I said in an earlier post, there have been many times down through the years when parents have sent their children off to safety unaccompanied because they feared for them.

Tennisnut 07-21-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 911241)
What are YOU willing to do for these children? What do YOU see as an answer?

Pay my taxes, vote and support the current administrations actions. I believe the current administration is currently doing the right thing since I do not feel threatened by what some characterize as an invasion. I know that is not one sentence, but I hope everyone understands my position.

CFrance 07-21-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 911303)
Pay my taxes, vote and support the current administrations actions. I believe the current administration is currently doing the right thing since I do not feel threatened by what some characterize as an invasion. I know that is not one sentence, but I hope everyone understands my position.

I understand your position, and I am glad you have stated it in the face of much opposition.

VT2TV 07-21-2014 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 911242)
No need for concern about who will lovingly care for and nurture the children better than the camp squalor they're in now. Their parents will be crossing the borders soon, or are already here illegally with their government-provided lawyers and U.S.-born Anchor Babies, pleading "the parents here can't leave their U.S. Citizen anchor babies here alone, where they have a right to live and get a college education."

That's been the strategy all along, by design of the bleeding hearts who have no use for pesky laws. Get the kids onto U.S. soil, where their parents "are needed to take care of them" and "it would be inhumane to separate parent and child and the child has to stay...so the parent has to stay also".


I know this will sound cynical, but I am willing to bet that very few of these children will ever show up for any hearing. But if they do and if their parents conveniently show up too, I think they all should be sent back to their own countries. This country is currently unable to feed, clothe, educate, and shelter even a portion of our legal citizens now. People here in this country die every day because for whatever reason they cannot care for themselves. If you want to adopt children who need your help, or support people who are living in crime ridden areas, or help to care for people who can't get the medicines to adequately take care of themselves, and a thousand other sad situation--you don't need to bring in ANY ONE else. You can find these same people in this county, this state, this country, If we can't care for your own citizens, you sure can't adequately care for others. There will ALWAYS be sad, horrible situations all over the world. Charity begins at home. You take care of the people already here. When I was in school, we went on visits to homes right in our town, Everyone of us barely got out of the house before we burst into tears because of the situations. So before we try to take care of the rest of the world-which we never will, forgive me if I think there are plenty of horrible, devastating situations involving CHILDREN as well as adults right here, right now. Especially when the people coming here are coming here illegally. Feel free to do research and check it out if you don't believe me. Children here in this country die every day from diseases, starvation, and abuse. What about them? If we spread our resources too thin, no one will get good care. How many people can survive on 1 piece of bread. how many can we really help that will actually be enough to really help, and not just appear to help????

graciegirl 07-22-2014 12:36 AM

I think it is cowardly to send children. I think that no matter how bad the circumstances, most people would brave the journey themselves, man or woman and hope to make a home and send for the child and the family member who was caring for it back home. On the way the child could be hurt or killed or harmed or lost.

Then there is the money and power of the huge drug cartel who could have a hand in this and behind cooercing people to enter our country to establish yet another link in their big business. Or because the parents are addicted. They aren't acting the way parents usually act. They would come themselves. It is just human nature.


You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

graciegirl 07-22-2014 12:56 AM

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