[RichieLion]

We've been hearing about "Global Warming" for years, with some scientists trying to convince the world that it is happening and is caused by the actions of human beings.

When things didn't heat up fast enough, if at all statistically, they started to refer to it as "Climate Change", and we still had to ramp down our industrial lives or face a global catastrophe of some sort.

Now with recent weather events around the world some think that the Earth is actually cooling and that we're in the path of a "Mini Ice Age".

If that's true, is it still our fault, and what do we do now?

http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/nort...9310-27768699/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ar-record.html

[Larryandlinda]

There's a good explanation of this, as well as the possibility that climate change is affected by cosmic rays, in this article in the Christian Science Monitor: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0927/p....html/(page)/2

It appears that neither contributes significantly to it, but "the phenomenon is worth exploring."

From the article, "Dr. Kirkby (a physicist at Europe's center for high-energy physics research in Geneva) and colleagues at several institutions aim to do just that. They've designed an aerosol chamber to test how cosmic rays might affect cloud formation and how significant the effect might be. "You really can't settle the issue by more heated debate," he says. "You need experimental data."

Sounds like a good approach.

[Sparky-30]

The Web site junkscience.com is offering $100,000 to the first person who can prove that humans are responsible for harmful climate change. The Ultimate Global Warming Challenge says — "If you think it's a no-brainer that humans are causing catastrophic global warming, here's your opportunity to earn an easy $100,000."

The Web site lists the specifications for the challenge and the contest rules. It's open until December 1, with the results announced next February. (Political Grapevine)

$100,000 Offered to Prove Global Warming: Can You Save Al Gore?

As soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore continues to duck every person on the planet willing to debate him about his unproven anthropogenic global warming theories, one well-known skeptic has put his money where his mouth is.

[iandwk]

One thing I have noticed about global warming is that several industrious people have found ways to make a lot of money from promoting it. I have come to a personal conclusion that it's all about the money. There are theories floating around that have no basis in fact, and this just may be one. Evolution is another.

As long as I have enough money and life left to enjoy TV, I intend to stay happy. I have a brother-in-law who stays irritated and upset about things like this. I let him do all the worrying for me.

[Larryandlinda]

Originally Posted by iandwk

One thing I have noticed about global warming is that several industrious people have found ways to make a lot of money from promoting it. I have come to a personal conclusion that it's all about the money. There are theories floating around that have no basis in fact, and this just may be one. Evolution is another.

As long as I have enough money and life left to enjoy TV, I intend to stay happy. I have a brother-in-law who stays irritated and upset about things like this. I let him do all the worrying for me.

Dern' tootin' it about money!
Even though this is the warmest decade in recent history, there is so much uncertainty as to why.
We are with you! As free-enterprise-loving, small-business-owning patriotic capitalists who have worked hard (and are still at it) for nearly half a century, we want to live well AND aren't about to sacrifice our hard- and smart-earned savings.
Now this doesn't mean we can't at least pat, if not hug, a tree along the way if it's not out of our way.
We've got a nice assortment of mature ones outside our doors up north and lakeside in TV. Like most of the nature around you, trees are a gift from nature. No need to scorn those tree lovers.
It's about money?
Yes, we love it - people notice our broad grins as we pedal our bikes to the banks. We even own a little stock in some of them. This gives meaning to 'laughing all the way to the bank'

Whether one is a Climate Change believer or skeptic matters little when it comes to being for conservation and against waste and pollution. Green means your surroundings - and there's little doubt that while the cosmos might not be affected, the earth beneath your feet sure knows who's been naughty or nice- and if any of the nasty might not be evident to you now, it might rear its head when the grandkids are your age.

We've been living the win-win and saving huge.
The electric meter runs in reverse, (like having SECO, PEPCO, BG&E, and Allegany Power pay US!!)the line-dried clothing is fresher,and a decade of having three family hybrids with 340,000 maintenance-free 50mpg miles - we're talking enough savings to pamper the most spoiled among us for life.

And how much more fun can you while staying fit than taking a bike ride through the beautiful Villages, being able to wave at your friends and neighbors, and making new ones?
See someone you want to talk to? Pull off the path, put down the foot.
Hungry? pedal right up to the door of your eatery.

Being a friend of your natural environment is here, now, and the rewards are aesthetic, healthy, and monetary - it's by no means a deprivation, even for all those that "wanna stay happy"

Because we've simplified and saved so much 'going eco' we've got some additional capacity to do volunteer work and help takle the worry away from others. So if the brother-in-law reaches capacity, we'll take some from him, too!

L and L

[redwitch]

I don't care if you call it global warming, global cooling or climate change, there is definitely something happening. Would it happen without man and his inventions? Probably. Climate change is cyclical, just much longer cycles than what man usually thinks about. Did man and his inventions hasten this cycle? Again, probably. Not the only cause, of course, but definitely a factor.

I'm not a tree hugger but I am saddened when I see a beautiful tree removed for no reason other than "progress." There is no question our rain forests are being decimated for the wood, for the land and that is a BIG deal and does and will make a huge difference to the future of this planet.

I'm with LandL, though. No matter what we believe, it is good to preserve our earth as much as possible. Recycling is a good thing. Giving away rather than throwing away is a good thing. Walking to the store down the block rather than driving is a good thing. Solar panels on your home is good. Line drying is good (not legal in TV, but still good). And so on and so forth. If everyone tries to do at least a little, it helps our beautiful planet and that is truly a good thing.

So, my vote is that we all try to do what we can. Be considerate not only of our human neighbors but our plant and animal neighbors as well. Try to consume a little less, etc. and so on and so forth.

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I don't care if you call it global warming, global cooling or climate change, there is definitely something happening. Would it happen without man and his inventions? Probably. Climate change is cyclical, just much longer cycles than what man usually thinks about. Did man and his inventions hasten this cycle? Again, probably. Not the only cause, of course, but definitely a factor.

I'm not a tree hugger but I am saddened when I see a beautiful tree removed for no reason other than "progress." There is no question our rain forests are being decimated for the wood, for the land and that is a BIG deal and does and will make a huge difference to the future of this planet.

I'm with LandL, though. No matter what we believe, it is good to preserve our earth as much as possible. Recycling is a good thing. Giving away rather than throwing away is a good thing. Walking to the store down the block rather than driving is a good thing. Solar panels on your home is good. Line drying is good (not legal in TV, but still good). And so on and so forth. If everyone tries to do at least a little, it helps our beautiful planet and that is truly a good thing.

So, my vote is that we all try to do what we can. Be considerate not only of our human neighbors but our plant and animal neighbors as well. Try to consume a little less, etc. and so on and so forth.

You did it again, Redwitch. I would have liked to respond to this thread but I lack the talent to say what I really want to say. You did it for me, again. Thanks.

[JUREK]

Originally Posted by iandwk

One thing I have noticed about global warming is that several industrious people have found ways to make a lot of money from promoting it. I have come to a personal conclusion that it's all about the money. There are theories floating around that have no basis in fact, and this just may be one. Evolution is another.

As long as I have enough money and life left to enjoy TV, I intend to stay happy. I have a brother-in-law who stays irritated and upset about things like this. I let him do all the worrying for me.

I like your post on this. Life is just too short to worry about these things.
Who cares if I drive a Smart car or a Hummer ?

[Sparky-30]

Always follow the $$ trail with these agenda's, they say Al Gore would become a billionaire overnight if cap and trade was to pass.
Listen to Ray Stevens song on Global Warming...Cooling, Climate change or whatever they throw against the wall trying to get it to stick., name.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORyzsMZPPUg[/ame]

[The Great Fumar]

I'm telling you trees are dangerous , While playing golf how many times have you or your friends been hit by a golf ball bouncing off a tree ...and what are trees doing on a golf course anyway, and how many times have you read or seen an accident where people on slippery roads have gone into a ditch and would have been ok if they hadn't hit a tree. Did you ever think about how dangerous sidewalks can be if tree roots pop up the concrete ??
Some of the comments here are shocking . Now I know that hippies need love too, but electric cars, bicycles without motors, walking to a mailbox , Jogging ,,, Folks I learned years ago in a fox hole , NEVER WALK WHEN YOU CAN RIDE ....Al GORE was ugly as a baby and still is to this day .... READ MY LIPS , There is no GLOBAL WARMING ....

Now excuse me while I go out and laugh at my neighbor who is putting out cans for recycling ....and this afternoon I may take a nap or go cut down a tree , I haven't decided yet........

non active fumar .........

ps ..I don't like pink floyd either , Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio...

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by The Great Fumar

I'm telling you trees are dangerous , While playing golf how many times have you or your friends been hit by a golf ball bouncing off a tree ...and what are trees doing on a golf course anyway, and how many times have you read or seen an accident where people on slippery roads have gone into a ditch and would have been ok if they hadn't hit a tree. Did you ever think about how dangerous sidewalks can be if tree roots pop up the concrete ??
Some of the comments here are shocking . Now I know that hippies need love too, but electric cars, bicycles without motors, walking to a mailbox , Jogging ,,, Folks I learned years ago in a fox hole , NEVER WALK WHEN YOU CAN RIDE ....Al GORE was ugly as a baby and still is to this day .... READ MY LIPS , There is no GLOBAL WARMING ....

Now excuse me while I go out and laugh at my neighbor who is putting out cans for recycling ....and this afternoon I may take a nap or go cut down a tree , I haven't decided yet........

non active fumar .........

ps ..I don't like pink floyd either , Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio...

That is all very enlightening TGF. Thank you for the information. It is a conspiracy. I once witnessed the aftermath of a tree falling on my neighbor's house and cause considerable damage.

But the real question is, if a tree falls in the forest and a tree hugger wasn't around to catch it, whose fault was it anyway? I'm sorry, I got off base there. I couldn't see the forest for all the equipment repaving the intermodel paths.

[Larryandlinda]

Originally Posted by redwitch

<snip>
I'm with LandL, though. No matter what we believe, it is good to preserve our earth as much as possible. Recycling is a good thing. Giving away rather than throwing away is a good thing. Walking to the store down the block rather than driving is a good thing. Solar panels on your home is good. Line drying is good (not legal in TV, but still good). And so on and so forth. If everyone tries to do at least a little, it helps our beautiful planet and that is truly a good thing.

So, my vote is that we all try to do what we can. Be considerate not only of our human neighbors but our plant and animal neighbors as well. Try to consume a little less, etc. and so on and so forth.

Thanks Red, well said.
By the way, great news. The Sunshine state loves you so much they want you to enjoy fresh clothing, lower bills, and a better mothership.

Look what they've done:

http://www.rhodeislandpropertylaw.co...-wrong-to-try/

Maryland (a.k.a. "the Free State") has a right to dry as well, but not as liberal as the florida law.

there's a rather humorous story in a local iconoclastic website about 'the right to clean underwear in The Villages" that we will not mention here.

Thanks for your efforts, Redwitch, in helping keeps the Villages a clean, safe place to live.
We know you're a fellow bicycle user too, that helps.
We're going on a special Christmas Lights evening ride in Leesburg Saturday
Weather should be perfect. Best way to see the light show in the Venetian Gardens.

L and L

[2BNTV]

Better minds than I, have been trying to solve the world's complex problems.
I agree that as concerned citizens of the world, we should do our best to preserve our planet.

I remember a while ago, someone claimed the world was going to end and he had scientific proof. His book was due out in two months. It's about the money for some people.

I will do my best and be happy.

[The Great Fumar]

Its about money .....Show me a controversy and I'll show you a dollar ...We are told we can't drill wells , we can't build pipe lines, we can't allow ships at sea to empty lavatory's and next we'll be back to 3/2 beer.....
Years ago a guy tried to tell us all that Flying was the most dangerous way to travel and we should never even consider it , well its bunk , TRAINS are the most dangerous , I would never travel on a train ...I remember in the 50's a train wrecked on horse shoe curve in Idaho and killed 238 people , It true , honest , I think a plane fell on it .......
Anything that will sell books will be printed and a gullible public will buy it ..

Having said that, how was your day???

to cold to play golf fumar ...

[tpop1]

Originally Posted by The Great Fumar

Years ago a guy tried to tell us all that Flying was the most dangerous way to travel and we should never even consider it , well ts bunk , TRAINS are the most dangerous

...isn't this more propaganda......those of us in TV KNOW it's golf carts that are the most dangerous...or maybe it's golf cart drivers!!!