Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1653906)

Haha. Sometimes it's easy to read into sarcasm.
Steve

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1653723)

I am on the fence, but if you qualify for concealed carry, I would support open carry in a holster for all. I believe anyone that would kill an unarmed person is a coward and would be deterred from doing so if they thought their victim could defend themselves.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1653656)

I understand people wanting to “harden” certain areas. What I would like to say is that if we live with a bunker mentality, we are dominated by our fears. Please look at what happens in societies that are run by guns.

I propose a gentler, safer, freer and more disciplined society. One that is adequately guarded by its police and military.

In my years as a teacher I have seen a great reduction of discipline, both in school and at home. Loving, enabling, misguided parents are often shocked by the self-absorbed, entitled kids that result from their efforts.

I remember a student in our gifted program (in a public school) whose very established parents were having a meeting with our principal. They were planning his grade 7 math program. The parents brought their own lawyer to the meeting to make sure the curriculum presented to Max, their son, would be up to their satisfaction.

Several years later, my daughter who was the same age as this gifted student, was enrolled in the same high school. One day I asked her, “How’s Max doing?” She told me he dropped out and became the local drug dealer.

In the transition phase to my ideal society we could have police assigned to be in the schools. They would be trained to get to know the kids and the parents. Be a resource and a friend. And they would have their guns too.

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1653927)

I propose a gentler, safer, freer and more disciplined society. One that is adequately guarded by its police and military.

OK then, meet me at 10:00 PM on M L King BLVD, and we can talk to the folks there about a gentler, safer, freer society. Yeah, that'll work. BTW way, don't come unarmed.:boom:

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1653932)

“Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.”

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1653932)

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1653935)

Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1653418)

And again I ask....how well did that work at Majory Stoneman Douglas High??
Steve

Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1653938)

I don't care how well-trained they are. They're not paid killers. They know they're not paid killers. But in order to stop a freak with an AR-15, you'd better be not only a paid killer, but damned good at it.

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl (Post 1653952)

I would not want my child staring at his teacher or focused on the fact that the teacher was visibly toting a gun or even thinking about the gun the teacher had in his pocket, sock, or wherever.
If the weapon is in a drawer -- a locked drawer, I would assume, what good would THAT do???

My child is in school to learn!
Trained or not trained, that is NOT the primary training of a teacher, nor is it THEIR main interest.
A teacher packing a pistol is an aberration. Under the best of circumstances, my response is a definite NO.
Let teachers do the job they want to do and are qualified to do -- that's to TEACH! Period.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1653959)

I agree, that is not the teachers primary job. But it is a secondary responsibility to keep the children safe. Teachers could carry guns concealed so that no one including the children would know who is carrying. Once this became the norm, children would not be focused on who is carrying and who is not.

It might surprise you to know that approximately one third of the people in The Villages have concealed carry permits. There are thousands of guns around you every day and you don't know it. It's one of the things that make The Villages a very safe place and one of the reasons our crime rate is among the lowest in the country. And you are not focused on who might be carrying. It's just norm.

Originally Posted by fw102807 (Post 1653970)

I wish I could unknow that because now I don’t feel safe at all.

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1653991)

Many are blindly led by the media and politics of the day (or the moment).

I would like to hear from teachers and administrators actually involved in a school shooting or anybody involved in an actual shooting situation....to get what they think about the proposal.

Any and all other discussions-opinions are intellectual, driven by one's beliefs/prejudice/religion/party affiliation/etc. Not a negative intention....just the reality of the issue.....in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1654046)

Wow! Those stats on gun permits are a surprise. I can see the “right” to arms as in the second amendment, but that so many people feel a need to have guns, unless they are collectors etc, is sad. It feels as if the state is a potential battlefield.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1654062)

The need to have a personal weapon, whether at home or in public, for me, comes out of fear. I enjoy gun clubs, I enjoy competition, but I prefer not to have to have to worry about break-ins to my home. Big factor in choosing TV. I don’t want to go to Winn-Dixie to pick out my veggies with a concealed weapon. I’d rather just put on a sundress and sandals. I don’t want to drive down any of the TV streets and if I make a mistake say on the round about, someone in road rage threatens to shoot me. (Anyway grenades are more effective in combat as you need less accuracy.)

Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1654063)

Your choice and I respect that.
I surely do not carry out of "fear", that is just your opinion, you do not know me.
Steve

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1654062)

The need to have a personal weapon, whether at home or in public, for me, comes out of fear.

Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1654070)

In the last 15 years, there have been several shootings at schools.

How many were caused by teachers that carried guns?

How many lives might have been saved if every teacher carried a gun and made an effort to kill the intruder who was killing the students?

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1654077)

I understand the drive to protect your family, believe me as a mother I really do. I think it is a noble effort.

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1654089)

you made me think twice, Velvet. I normally stay out of gun right discussions and am not a gun owner, but now I'm thinking...

1. I think most teachers view their students, not quite but almost, like their kids. The need to protect them must be great and maybe with proper training, carrying guns might work.

2. Teachers carrying guns might deter kids from charging the shooter and getting killed. Recently it has been espoused that fighting is better than "flighting." But it usually means some innocent child gets killed.

It certainly could all go wrong. It's a conundrum.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1654113)

Being able to take someone else's life is also something I am not that sure most teachers could actually do. And that failure could lead to tragedy.

Originally Posted by cgilcreast (Post 1654146)

Just the fact that there MAY be an armed teacher in the school most likely will accomplish the goal. I was armed in the cockpit of an airliner after 9-11 and since then there have been no cockpit breaches. Perhaps that did accomplish the goal but who knows. And based on the training we went through plus the continuous semi annual training there should be little to worry about with proficiency. JMHO

Originally Posted by Airis2thick (Post 1654157)

If you want to know how this could work, look at the states that already have similar laws.
Some states have allowed this for years.

Originally Posted by Airis2thick (Post 1654157)

If you want to know how this could work, look at the states that already have similar laws.
Some states have allowed this for years.

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1654161)

Yes, and it has been studied a bit.

As a break from all the macho talk by folks who will never be placed in the situation being discussed, maybe read some...example from NIH....

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"Al[B]though no empirical evidence is currently available regarding whether arming teachers would deter gun violence in elementary and secondary school settings, we can extrapolate from existing research on the possible outcomes of such efforts. Research has shown that increased gun access and gun possession are not associated with protection from violence,6 which suggests that increasing the presence of guns in the hands of civilians in schools, no matter how well intentioned, may backfire. Furthermore, exposure to gun violence

Arming Schoolteachers: What Do We Know? Where Do We Go From Here?

We also should consider what we have learned from past experience and enact laws....a few exist, passed but senate refuses to bring to the floor.

I suggest I have no answer but in dealing with our children, we should act like adults.

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1654161)