[gomoho]

Dr. Ben Carson said to the young black men "look like a prospect, not a suspect". Good advice that pretty much covers it.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Profiling is wrong. It should not be done and especially in a random situation
. I can remember back in the early 70s when I was a high school student with very long hair. I was stopped a few times by the local police for no reason and was not detained or ticketed any of the times and was never told why hey chose to stop me but it was very apparent it was the hair and a lazy cop thinking hair equals drugs. To read the statistics of the stop and frisk in NYC how can anyone deny profiling which in itself is against the law. I didn't like when it happened to me and I don't like that it happens to others. Profiling is wrong.

And if you had lived in our family...they would have said.."Don't come crying to me. Do something with yourself. I doubt it was just the hair."

They also didn't like us out late messing around. I had folks who remembered well about being young. We could hardly get away with ANYTHING.

But that is neither here nor there.

No one with any kind of moral and caring hearts likes to made a judgment about anyone due to race or ethnicities or religion....to hurt one person because of the actions of others of the same color or religion or way of dressing is awful. But sometimes the safety of the majority makes tough decisions necessary.

[rubicon]

Unfortunately in this age of rights the police are placed at a disadvantage.
Police are well versed in what constitutes a "red flag' they know the local wise guys and they know that they need to be careful not to create any breaches least they damage the cases they are building.


The term "profiling" is such an over used excuse by those who use it to manipulate their self serving goals.

I am certainly no fan of Bloomberg but he is on the right side of this issue


This nation is getting more dangerous and some people are placing unnecessary burdens on the men in blue.

Saddest of all is that the people most helped by procedure are blacks and Hispanics who may otherwise become victims.

[Monkei]

There are only so many ways to walk around black in NYC. When 83 percent of those stopped and frisked are black then don't you think someone is wrong? So let's get off this the way the walk and the way they wer their clothes or their hairstyles. Profiling is profiling and its ok when it's a black kid, not so much when it's white middle aged people.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Unfortunately in this age of rights the police are placed at a disadvantage.
Police are well versed in what constitutes a "red flag' they know the local wise guys and they know that they need to be careful not to create any breaches least they damage the cases they are building.


The term "profiling" is such an over used excuse by those who use it to manipulate their self serving goals.

I am certainly no fan of Bloomberg but he is on the right side of this issue


This nation is getting more dangerous and some people are placing unnecessary burdens on the men in blue.

Saddest of all is that the people most helped by procedure are blacks and Hispanics who may otherwise become victims.

How can being on the wrong side of the constitution be on the right side of an issue?

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

And if you had lived in our family...they would have said.."Don't come crying to me. Do something with yourself. I doubt it was just the hair."

They also didn't like us out late messing around. I had folks who remembered well about being young. We could hardly get away with ANYTHING.

But that is neither here nor there.

No one with any kind of moral and caring hearts likes to made a judgment about anyone due to race or ethnicities or religion....to hurt one person because of the actions of others of the same color or religion or way of dressing is awful. But sometimes the safety of the majority makes tough decisions necessary.

Wow if there were only someway young black men could not be young black men.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Unfortunately in this age of rights the police are placed at a disadvantage.
Police are well versed in what constitutes a "red flag' they know the local wise guys and they know that they need to be careful not to create any breaches least they damage the cases they are building.


The term "profiling" is such an over used excuse by those who use it to manipulate their self serving goals.

I am certainly no fan of Bloomberg but he is on the right side of this issue


This nation is getting more dangerous and some people are placing unnecessary burdens on the men in blue.

Saddest of all is that the people most helped by procedure are blacks and Hispanics who may otherwise become victims.

Actually violent crime is down in the US. Most likely the actions to take lead out of our paints.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by gomoho

You certainly aren't suggesting if the prison is privatized they then get to decide who goes to prison for how long and who stays??? Last time I checked that was still determined by our justice system.

No but what I am saying is they have lobbyist who push for mandatory sentencing. Mandatory sentences last time i checked were not part of the justice system but derived from the legislative system.

[Villages PL]

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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Wow if there were only someway young black men could not be young black men.

Think about it. Young black men are getting murdered at higher rates than other ethnicities. It is too often at the hands of other black men. It isn't safe for them to be "hanging out" where there has been crimes committed.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Monkei

There are only so many ways to walk around black in NYC. When 83 percent of those stopped and frisked are black then don't you think someone is wrong? So let's get off this the way the walk and the way they wer their clothes or their hairstyles. Profiling is profiling and its ok when it's a black kid, not so much when it's white middle aged people.

I wonder if the fact that maybe 83% of the criminals in jail are of color.....maybe the percent is wrong but it is high...isn't it logical the police would be on the look out for certain "looking" people?

Would it be profiling to be on the lookout for a white guy with a scar on his cheek?

The word as well as the notion of "profiling" is abused. Just analyze the prison population and come up with a description of a tyical prisoners and the crimes they commit. Would the conclusion of the typical inmate be a form of profiling.

Of course it is not.

Profiling is just another means of playing the race card, which is also significantly abused.

When you are going hunting you have to have some idea what to look for....that is the way it has always been...nothing new except the permissive times we live in.

btk

[gomoho]

Well said Billethkid.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I wonder if the fact that maybe 83% of the criminals in jail are of color.....maybe the percent is wrong but it is high...isn't it logical the police would be on the look out for certain "looking" people?

Would it be profiling to be on the lookout for a white guy with a scar on his cheek?

The word as well as the notion of "profiling" is abused. Just analyze the prison population and come up with a description of a tyical prisoners and the crimes they commit. Would the conclusion of the typical inmate be a form of profiling.

Of course it is not.

Profiling is just another means of playing the race card, which is also significantly abused.



When you are going hunting you have to have some idea what to look for....that is the way it has always been...nothing new except the permissive times we live in.

btk

Picking up all the black kids and throwing the good ones back out on the street is not right. You cannot assume a black person is guilty just because they are black is not the way our justice system is supposed to work. Black people are supposed to be considered innocent with constitutional rights just like all the other races.

Obviously we must now have a different constitution for blacks and whites.

[Villages PL]

I think I heard a discussion about this on the radio and it was said that non-violent drug users/sellers might be confined to house arrest and would wear an ankle bracelet.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Think about it. Young black men are getting murdered at higher rates than other ethnicities. It is too often at the hands of other black men. It isn't safe for them to be "hanging out" where there has been crimes committed.

Except ... Last time I checked the act of hanging out was not a crime.