[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...

Just the ones that want Christians and Jews dead.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You seem to be forgetting that the Orlando shooter was born in Queens. He was a US citizen and probably a closet gay.

"American-born children of immigrants proving fruitful recruiting ground for jihad in U.S.

While immigrants draw much of the attention, it’s their children who are proving to be the most fruitful recruiting ground for radical jihad in the U.S., accounting for at least half of the deadly attacks over the past decade.

The latest instance of the second-generation terrorist syndrome played out in Orlando, Florida, over the weekend when Omar Mateen, son of immigrants from Afghanistan, went on a jihad-inspired rampage, killing 49 people and wounding 53 others in the worst mass shooting in U.S. history."

We are now reaping what we have sown.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.

Originally Posted by blueash

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...

I admire the two posts above. I have no point to make, just some random thoughts.
Clearly, it's very wrong to hate a culture or religion because a few of the members are violent and hate our country.
Most Muslims are good and peaceful people. As a culture, I'd like to embrace them with open arms.
I learned earlier on this thread that Dr. Oz, who is admired by millions, is a Muslim.
Yet Muslin Extremists can be born in the USA and walk among us. They are not easily recognized.
I have to confess, I do look at Muslims who are flying on a plane with me to see if they're relaxed or agitated.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I admire the two posts above. I have no point to make, just some random thoughts.
Clearly, it's very wrong to hate a culture or religion because a few of the members are violent and hate our country.
Most Muslims are good and peaceful people. As a culture, I'd like to embrace them with open arms.
I learned earlier on this thread that Dr. Oz, who is admired by millions, is a Muslim.
Yet Muslin Extremists can be born in the USA and walk among us. They are not easily recognized.
I have to confess, I do look at Muslims who are flying on a plane with me to see if they're relaxed or agitated.

"Oz described his philosophy to The New Yorker: "I want no more barriers between patient and medicine. I would take us all back a thousand years, when our ancestors lived in small villages and there was always a healer in that village."

Tip: A person who has made peace with his God, ready and willing to sacrifice his life may look relaxed and content right before....also could look agitated. Best to flip a coin.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by outlaw

"Oz described his philosophy to The New Yorker: "I want no more barriers between patient and medicine. I would take us all back a thousand years, when our ancestors lived in small villages and there was always a healer in that village."

Tip: A person who has made peace with his God, ready and willing to sacrifice his life may look relaxed and content right before....also could look agitated. Best to flip a coin.

Your supposition is ridiculous. I know you to be intelligent based upon your historical thread responses on TOTV. Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

Your supposition is ridiculous. I know you to be intelligent based upon your historical thread responses on TOTV. Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.

I sorta see Dr Oz as a snake oil salesman, but I may be wrong about that. That's just what I've concluded based on a few articles.

[Taltarzac725]

Fasting Muslims Donate Blood for Orlando Victims -- The Cut

Here is an article on the point of the thread.

And another one-- After Orlando shooting, Muslim Americans show support for victims

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Muhammad Ali Center holds blood drive | Metro Louisville - WLKY Home

This is a few years old.

What is your point?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Fasting Muslims Donate Blood for Orlando Victims -- The Cut

Here is an article on the point of the thread.

And another one-- After Orlando shooting, Muslim Americans show support for victims

I believe that is the same muslim that was mentioned before. So far two articles on one muslim giving blood. There are over 27,000 muslims in Orlando.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by blueash

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...

You just pizzed off a whole rash of intolerant folks.


CONGRATS!!!!



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[graciegirl]

In this world, we must warn the small children against those that would harm them and try to point out that mostly good people live in this world.

In this world, we must accept the fact that evil does exist and certain groups would like to see every American dead.

In this world with many differences, more here than in most countries, we still must identify those with harm as their goal and name them.

Define the problem. It is the shooter not the weapon that we should fear most.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.

Along those same lines, I am always astonished at the number of people who are so fearful and obsessed with being killed by some religious zealot.

When the truth of the matter is, statistically you are much more likely to die from one of the old drivers around here, that should have long ago had their licenses pulled.

Or a young driver.

Or ANY driver.

BUT, for some reason there is this inexplicable, outsized fear of these terrorists who have hijacked a religion to justify their barbarism.

And don’t anyone try and twist this to read that I think terrorism isn’t one of the most despicable acts that human beings can do to each other…because I do believe that.

Regardless of their stated justification.

BUT, given that you are MUCH more likely to die in an automobile (or numerous other situations as noted below), there is definitely something else besides common sense going on here.

Obviously with this tragedy in Orlando these numbers will change (IF it was actually an extremist religious act and not just a hatred of gays and his own sexuality), but the basic point will not change enough to even be statistically meaningful.

So all of you overweight, obese and alcohol drinking folks out there that are terrified of Muslim/religious extremists, why aren’t you as concerned about what you keep shoving in your mouth and down your throat?

The Terrorism Statistics Every American Needs to Hear | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Wikipedia notes that obesity is a a contributing factor in 100,000–400,000 deaths in the United States per year. That makes obesity 5,882 to times 23,528 more likely to kill you than a terrorist.

The CDC says that some 80,000 deaths each year are attributable to excessive alcohol use. So you’re 4,706 times more likely to drink yourself to death than die from terrorism.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by leftyf

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.

I have donated 11.375 gallons now at One Blood since 2007.

I only know maybe 75 TOTVers in real life so I have no idea if I have seen any of these at any various blood donation centers.

I do post in the Political Forum and it should not be hard to tell that it is me. A lot of 224 613 Project related stuff.

Ramadan is for fasting I believe so donating blood would be a problem for a very strict Muslim. Donate blood during Ramadan | The National

I have heard of donors passing out if they have not eaten enough before donating. Why do people faint when getting blood drawn? | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

I am a rather loose Lutheran. I go to church when I feel like it. I do love visiting Cathedrals though.

[leftyf]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.

Since I donate platelets every 2 weeks, I cannot donate to any blood drive, no matter what it is for. It would just delay my platelet donations.

My original thoughts on this threads were, IF the Muslims had showed up by the hundreds to donate blood to these gay victims, it would have sent a message to the ISIS terrorists that the Muslims support the US, not ISIS. That's the way to defeat ISIS, not by hiding them.