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Old 10-05-2021, 07:40 AM
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There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.
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That's good! Looking for obits will give you something to do, which is better than living in fear of Covid!
Excellent response. I notice a trend among those fearful to live life. They seem to be less than pleasant people.
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Questioning science is science.

Like most of the world, I admired Fauci when this all started, but I’ve come to view him as an ivory tower academician cum politician. His tarnished reputation is his own doing.
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Old 10-05-2021, 07:51 AM
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Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”
Stop whining! Yesterday was too soon, today is correct. Point being, if you are around vaccinated people you are safer to socialize. If you are not with vaccinated people, it's best, for your health and safety, not to socialize with or around them. Common sense!
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...if still alive... Good grief. A little fear mongering?
These fear mongers would be lost without this topic. They like to use it to show how caring and woke they are. They end up showing how mean and callous they can be.
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Old 10-05-2021, 08:06 AM
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Fauci is just another overpaid "government" worker who says whatever POTUS wants him to say in order to keep the American public scared. I hear people out getting a booster shot when it's not needed in the first place. These same people have Alexis, etc. in their homes and don't think one iota that "someone" is listening to everything that goes on in their own home. Ever read the book "1984"???
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Get together with your families this holiday season. Life is too short. LIVE your
life. Don’t let someone dictate.
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Will be looking for your family obits!
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Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep...
I believe it is "Into your LIFE it will creep"....

And how it seems to be creeping into all those "JUST OBEY" people's lives. Now that is SAD.
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Old 10-05-2021, 09:15 AM
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Don't think the boarder will be best pleased having hole plugged!
"....first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

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Sad? That is your opinion. It sounds joyful to me.

I don't need anyone's advice on how I should spend the holidays with my family. I would rather rely on my own common sense and critical thinking, which may be referred to as personal responsibility. Common sense and critical thinking is, IMHO, rapidly diminishing in today's society.
I have successfully and healthfully ascended into my 70's, and I'm not about to change what has gotten me this far.
If other's feel the need to be directed, that's their choice, not mine.
Bless you. The bigger picture I'm looking @ is how insane it is to seek a type of permission to see your own family. Hubby & I remain unvaxxed, had a trip up north on public transit & all the way back. We still test negative, much to the dismay of local doctors. I am responsible for myself, always have been, & will continue to do so without the help of elected officials & media hacks. Thanks for listening.
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Remember, any attack on Fauci is an attack on science. By my count, you just attacked science 6 times.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic but that was a hilarious response.
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I waited to form an opinion until I read the OP, and having read it, it is my opinion that the post is intended to (I think the kids say this) cast shade on science. Anti-science is rampant and sad. I could be wrong and the poster was honest and sincere and did not have an "implied" comment.

But, considering the history of this site and the strong implication of constantly changing science, I doubt that.
A problem centers around those who throw the word "science" around but have no clue what science is and could not begin to describe the scientific method. A bigger problem is that there seems to be very little science going on or at least available for reporting to the public. That which is reported through the mainstream media favors the narrative of fear. Where is the science comparing the effectiveness of recovering from COVID vs. the vaccines? Instead of a vaccine passport, why not have people get tested for antibodies, which better describe the immune condition of an individual? How effective are the masks that are being pushed down even to newborns? Last year we decried the terror of "Super spreader events" like the gathering at Mount Rushmore. Now we have hundreds of thousands of unmasked people side to side at football games with no reported spreading going on.

I do not fear the COVID. I do fear what has happened to this formerly free country. Had any one written about this 2 years ago they would have been laughed out of the room. Now we have overburdened hospitals with short staffs being forced to kick out doctors and nurses who decline to get vaccinated, thus greatly acerbating the health care situation.

In the spring of 2020 Dr. Fauci was promising herd immunity, Now we have herd hysteria and a population increasingly afraid to go on with life. I fear this will not end well.
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There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.
Amen!

You forgot that science and research are constantly evolving by their very definitions. Educated people know that.

Tucker Carlson’s Fauci as “Jesus” stand-up routine last night was vulgar, with the sole purpose of inciting the Evangelicals. He should be very very ashamed!
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Amen!

You forgot that science and research are constantly evolving by their very definitions. Educated people know that.

Tucker Carlson’s Fauci as “Jesus” stand-up routine last night was vulgar, with the sole purpose of inciting the Evangelicals. He should be very very ashamed!
I never watch Tucker's show, but last night I was browsing channels and happen to stop on it just as he was beginning his opening assault on Fauci. I watched it for a while because I thought it very interesting and entertaining. I didn't see any fault in what he said, but then again that may be in the eyes of the beholder. I haven't watched FOX for a long time, and rarely watch any of the left sided media news(?)/propaganda networks either, other than the local news to hear the weather report in the morning.
In my opinion, Fauci brings on the attacks, by being available for cretins to grill him until he makes a controversial comment. To be honest with you, I have never liked what the man has said, and even less how he has spoken politically. If he is truly linked to subsidizing the covid studies in Wuhan, I give him partial blame for this mess we are enduring right now. That said, I do not know him personally. If he was as smart as he says he is, then he would keep his mouth shut and let the CDC speak about this mess instead of him.
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