[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jswirs

I believe it is "Into your LIFE it will creep"....

Yes, it is... For what it's worth...

[Joe Folker]

And you're proud of this?

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

What he said must not have polled well.

Bingo!

I was waiting for someone to nail this.

To those who think I am casting shade on science, you couldn't be more inaccurate.

I am casting shade on those who think they are informed by the science when all they really are informed by is the politics.

[Cheryl Barrios]

Originally Posted by swooner

Will be looking for your family obits!

Wow! What a true human.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Why are the "Just Obey" people so nasty. No one attacked you on this thread, yet you come out attacking others.

Those who spout out garbage, aka misinformation, on a topic as important as a worldwide pandemic should be called out, harshly or otherwise. I have watched post after post since this pandemic began and the most common theme is non-professionals googling something, finding a short absurd blurb, and then pronouncing it as the gospel truth and proclaiming themselves "experts" I'm just trying to protect the innocent from these "posters"

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by blueash

There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

Apparently the mask science has changed.

White House medical adviser Anthony Fauci once dismissed wearing a mask to prevent infectious disease as a “paranoid” tool, laughing at the prospect during a 2019 sit-down interview on The David Rubenstein Show.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Cheryl Barrios

Wow! What a true human.

It is something you see in many fear filled "Just Obey" individuals.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Apparently the mask science has changed.

White House medical adviser Anthony Fauci once dismissed wearing a mask to prevent infectious disease as a “paranoid” tool, laughing at the prospect during a 2019 sit-down interview on The David Rubenstein Show.

It's doubtful the mask science changed. If anything, the mask science is more understood now but the general principles remain the same.

What changed, what you (intentionally?) neglected, was the threat. In 2019 the world was getting by just fine by adopting healthy habits and taking necessary vaccines. In 2020 Covid arrived in the US and the threat changed significantly. A different threat requires a different evaluation of mitigations.

Masks in a fully-vaccinated population are likely as unnecessary as they were in 2019. However, due to the continued efforts of some, we do not have a fully-vaccinated population and people are still dying at a rate of almost 2,000 per day.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by PugMom

Bless you. The bigger picture I'm looking @ is how insane it is to seek a type of permission to see your own family. Hubby & I remain unvaxxed, had a trip up north on public transit & all the way back. We still test negative, much to the dismay of local doctors. I am responsible for myself, always have been, & will continue to do so without the help of elected officials & media hacks. Thanks for listening.

PugMom,

I am truly curious about how this works from your angle — and I hope you will answer my questions. . .

Do you so proudly declare your unvaccinated status to those you are visiting in order to recognize their right to make their own decisions as to whether they want you in their social group? (Some may be too polite to ask — so do you give them a heads-up, in advance?)

As you go out and about on public transit, etc., do you practice advised measures to do the best you can to minimize risk of infection? (Typhoid Mary was asymptomatic, you know.)

Sooooo, how do you work this? Do you hang out with only other unvaxxed people? Do you at least use good manners by asking those you want to visit if they are OK with it? What do you do in one of those friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend things that happens sometimes with lunch groups, etc., in TV? Do you check the prevailing wind, the lay of the land, to see if you would be welcome in a group of mostly strangers who might feel differently about vaccination status or do you just waltz right in among ‘em?

I really do want to know how the unvaxxed feel about how they should be handling these social situations. I think my questions are fair.

Boomer

PS: We are vaccinated and have our social life back in gear — with other vaccinated people. We certainly are not cowering in bunkers — just making choices.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Bingo!

I was waiting for someone to nail this.

To those who think I am casting shade on science, you couldn't be more inaccurate.

I am casting shade on those who think they are informed by the science when all they really are informed by is the politics.

That would be YOUR opinion. But, you are certainly entitled to you opinion.

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

That is sad, I wish you luck in your plans.

Originally Posted by Challenger

Dont forget to put the bullet in chamber #6 before you spin

You should be thankful they all have sacrificed many things for the last 1.5 years. If you follow any posts, all of my family is in health care in multiple states. So challenger.. you think they should be shot for taking care of someone like you, vaxed or not.. But then they don’t have fear like some. Their job is not to judge others, but to do no harm to anyone who enters. Good lesson to live by.

People stopped banging on pots along time ago.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by ChicagoNative

Questioning science is science.

Like most of the world, I admired Fauci when this all started, but I’ve come to view him as an ivory tower academician cum politician. His tarnished reputation is his own doing.

Same here

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Those who spout out garbage, aka misinformation, on a topic as important as a worldwide pandemic should be called out, harshly or otherwise. I have watched post after post since this pandemic began and the most common theme is non-professionals googling something, finding a short absurd blurb, and then pronouncing it as the gospel truth and proclaiming themselves "experts" I'm just trying to protect the innocent from these "posters"

No you are not. Many times you offer no alternate view backed by facts, you just throw out nasty remarks. I do not see how that is going to accomplish anything other than turn people off to what you say.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by thelegges

You should be thankful they all have sacrificed many things for the last 1.5 years. If you follow any posts, all of my family is in health care in multiple states. So challenger.. you think they should be shot for taking care of someone like you, vaxed or not.. But then they don’t have fear like some. Their job is not to judge others, but to do no harm to anyone who enters. Good lesson to live by.

People stopped banging on pots along time ago.

Too many of the "Just Obey" fear spreaders are nasty. We can pray for them to escape the darkness and divisiveness.

[Road-Runner]

Originally Posted by MrZero

Wow! Such hatred. I can't believe where the country is going. #WTF!

Not going, gone at this point.