[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

By THAT logic, Portugal must have gone communist without our knowledge, because Portugal has a 98% CV vaccination rate!

Originally Posted by JMintzer

No they do not. They have an 84% rate. I've shown you the proof, yet you insist on perpetuating misinformation. Why is that?

Originally Posted by Two Bills

According to ECDC official figures.

Portugal
One dose vaccinated--98%
Two dose vaccinated--90.2%

COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

PS. Denmark is actually better, with a 95% first and second vaccination rate.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Your own link states Portugal is now at 90% (FULLY VACCINATED). Last I checked, 90% does not equal 98%...

And according to this site...

prortugal vaccination rate - Google Search

84.7% fully vaccinated as of 10/5...

And Denmark? 85.6%

Denmark: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps

As fun as this back and forth is to watch, this can be put to bed if you would read the information on the page to see what the numbers represent.

According to the information on the pages, Portugal has fully vaccinated about 98% of those 18 and above. However, there are also people living in Portugal who are not yet 18 and if you consider those individuals, Portugal has vaccinated approximately 87% of the entire population.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

As fun as this back and forth is to watch, this can be put to bed if you would read the information on the page to see what the numbers represent.

According to the information on the pages, Portugal has fully vaccinated about 98% of those 18 and above. However, there are also people living in Portugal who are not yet 18 and if you consider those individuals, Portugal has vaccinated approximately 87% of the entire population.

Well, we certainly wouldn't want all the facts to get in our way!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Well, we certainly wouldn't want all the facts to get in our way!

Because, you know, giving someone the benefit of the doubt that maybe they made a mistake and missed the detail would be silly. much more fun to argue.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Your own link states Portugal is now at 90% (FULLY VACCINATED). Last I checked, 90% does not equal 98%...

And according to this site...

prortugal vaccination rate - Google Search

84.7% fully vaccinated as of 10/5...

And Denmark? 85.6%

Denmark: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps

I give not a tinkers cuss what Portugal's numbers are.
I just posted the ECDC's data.
Over 18's or under, they are the EEC's collating body, unless of course, they are supposed to run all numbers past you first for approval.
In which case they obviously failed to do so, and a grave error has been committed, and I posted false information

[Byte1]

And the Villages has an 82% vaccinated.
I am glad that I cannot see the tantrums some of the posters are having every time they scream "get vaccinated!" "It is your PATRIOTIC duty to get vaccinated!" "If you do not get vaccinated, you are going to kill us all!"
And then the ones that say "If you don't get vaccinated, I hope you die!" "The hospitals should not treat you." "Because of you, our insurance is going up."
Such a great bunch of screamers.
Calm down folks. Most of the eligible folks in this area have been vaccinated (82%) and most of the others have already resistance to the virus due to surviving Covid.
If you are so excited about other countries, feel free to immigrate to those places and enjoy their socialized medicine.

[Woodbear]

And to think more people have died in 2021 when a vaccine was available than the majority of 2020 when none was approved.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It's doubtful the mask science changed. If anything, the mask science is more understood now but the general principles remain the same.

What changed, what you (intentionally?) neglected, was the threat. In 2019 the world was getting by just fine by adopting healthy habits and taking necessary vaccines. In 2020 Covid arrived in the US and the threat changed significantly. A different threat requires a different evaluation of mitigations.

Masks in a fully-vaccinated population are likely as unnecessary as they were in 2019. However, due to the continued efforts of some, we do not have a fully-vaccinated population and people are still dying at a rate of almost 2,000 per day.

With regard to mask use, Dr. Fauci admitted he said we didn't need to wear masks partly because there was a shortage of masks and healthcare workers needed the masks. That had nothing to do with science.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by blueash

There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

WOW.......has the OP seen the amount of thanks for this post? I wish I could thank this post more than once. That's for sure.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jswirs

Yes, thank you. And don't you forget to put the bullets in chambers #1 and #6 for the next time you are crossing the street.

I was a child when I was taught to look both ways before crossing the street. I still do it to this day.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Woodbear

And to think more people have died in 2021 when a vaccine was available than the majority of 2020 when none was approved.

I don’t suppose the difference has anything to do with the Delta variant. Nah..,

[Woodbear]

Originally Posted by justjim

I don’t suppose the difference has anything to do with the Delta variant. Nah..,

The delta variant of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 has been found to be far more infectious, while being less deadly than the original coronavirus. This is mainly attributed to the vaccine being around. So again, more people have died of Covid in 2021 even though a vaccine exists.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Woodbear

The delta variant of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 has been found to be far more infectious, while being less deadly than the original coronavirus. This is mainly attributed to the vaccine being around. So again, more people have died of Covid in 2021 even though a vaccine exists.

And +90% of those deaths were the unvacinated.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

WOW.......has the OP seen the amount of thanks for this post? I wish I could thank this post more than once. That's for sure.

Where is the running "Thank Count" for individual posts?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

And the Villages has an 82% vaccinated.
I am glad that I cannot see the tantrums some of the posters are having every time they scream "get vaccinated!" "It is your PATRIOTIC duty to get vaccinated!" "If you do not get vaccinated, you are going to kill us all!"
And then the ones that say "If you don't get vaccinated, I hope you die!" "The hospitals should not treat you." "Because of you, our insurance is going up."
Such a great bunch of screamers.
Calm down folks. Most of the eligible folks in this area have been vaccinated (82%) and most of the others have already resistance to the virus due to surviving Covid.
If you are so excited about other countries, feel free to immigrate to those places and enjoy their socialized medicine.

My neighbors were fully vaccinated, they'd received their second shot just short of a week before they both started feeling ill. Both of them are "at risk" being over 80 years old, with one of them having some health issues and the other not having any. They both tested positive, and got the antibodies transfusion thingie, and started feeling better after several days.

But it was very scary, knowing that both of them could've been gone "just like that" even though they took precautions.

We love our neighbors. And we love our families. We also love ourselves. And so out of love for friends, family, neighbors, and selves, we are both fully vaccinated. I still wear a mask when I go into stores, or get take-out in restaurants.

I only wore a mask outside in open air when it was required of me as part of my job with Publix, last year.

[Woodbear]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

And +90% of those deaths were the unvacinated.

And for almost all of 2020 there was no vaccine, so 100% of the folks that died were unvaccinated. Why are more dying in 2021 if a vaccine is available?