[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

That's a nice fantasy but far from reality. CDC guidance on covid transmission has always said (starting in Feb 2020) the virus can be spread through respiratory droplets and also fomites. They changed guidance in Oct 2020 to acknowledge it also spread through fine aerosols and they downplayed fomite transmission.

To say Fauci didn't know the virus spread through respiratory droplets in February 2020 is laughable. Here is Tony in his own words in an email dated Feb 5 2020

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And what he stated in that email is 110% correct, both at that time and today. Yes, I know there are still some people who think they are protecting themselves with a mask, for them ignorance is bliss. So just what is the criticism of Fauci that that email was supposed to prove??? I don't see anything at all.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ithos

First of all, the recommendations did not EVOLVE.. It changed almost overnight. I am sure it was a coincidence but the policy u-turn occurred about the same time the extreme lockdowns were implemented.

Here is Fauci's job descriptions:

Dr. Fauci was appointed Director of NIAID in 1984. He oversees an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat established infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, respiratory infections, etc.

Since pandemics from viruses have occurred through out recorded history, why is it that in 2020 the highest paid US government employee with a tenure of almost 40 years did not have a clue about the effectiveness of cloth masks? Have we not been using masks in the medical field for decades?

I am not anti mask on a limited basis but the flip flop on policy was not based primarily on "Science" unless you are talking about political science.

And for the Fauci faithful out there, which prior health crisis out there has he done a superb job on?

See previous post with email. He obviously was 100% correct about the efficacy of masks. And yes, we have used paper masks for decades---TO PROTECT THE PATIENT, NOT OURSELVES!. We use a completely different set of PPE when dealing with something that we could catch, like meningococcus.

And while on the subject, there have been any number of posters that are piling on Tony Fauci like he is the bad guy. To all of you that think that, you have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't care what you read on which conspiracy web site. Do you know him? Have you had dinner with him several times? Have you talked with him for an hour or two? If not, you need to zip it. If you had, you would have a better idea of what Tony is all about.

[petiteone]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

So....what's your issue? Christmas is not until December and everything could change tomorrow with the new Mu variant. It's not difficult to stay flexible. Fauci knows Best, even if you don't like it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

I would be fine with one xmas day for the Vaccinated and their family get-togethers. Then, another day for the recalcitrant anti-vaxxers and their families. It is the smushing together of the Vaccinated and the non-vaccinated that is causing all the problems in the US - whether that is at church, sports events, or anywhere! Portugal does NOT have that problem; they are 98% vaccinated. That is to dream for!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

I agree with the contents of this post!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would be fine with one xmas day for the Vaccinated and their family get-togethers. Then, another day for the recalcitrant anti-vaxxers and their families. It is the smushing together of the Vaccinated and the non-vaccinated that is causing all the problems in the US - whether that is at church, sports events, or anywhere! Portugal does NOT have that problem; they are 98% vaccinated. That is to dream for!

Are there no flights to Portugal?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Since March of 2020, Except for me all my kids, grandchildren, plus my other half spent every holiday, including Christmas, with hundreds of unvaccinated. Plan is to do it again, this Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

I disagree with the contents of this post. And good luck because a person can not play Russian Roulette forever!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jswirs

Sad? That is your opinion. It sounds joyful to me.

I don't need anyone's advice on how I should spend the holidays with my family. I would rather rely on my own common sense and critical thinking, which may be referred to as personal responsibility. Common sense and critical thinking is, IMHO, rapidly diminishing in today's society.
I have successfully and healthfully ascended into my 70's, and I'm not about to change what has gotten me this far.
If other's feel the need to be directed, that's their choice, not mine.

But the point IS......who is the puppet and who is the puppet master??????

[Nellmack]

Originally Posted by PugMom

Bless you. The bigger picture I'm looking @ is how insane it is to seek a type of permission to see your own family. Hubby & I remain unvaxxed, had a trip up north on public transit & all the way back. We still test negative, much to the dismay of local doctors. I am responsible for myself, always have been, & will continue to do so without the help of elected officials & media hacks. Thanks for listening.

I'm glad you made your trip and did not get infected. Sadly I know quite a few people that weren't so lucky. I received a death notice from a work colleague just today, he got Covid one month ago and went down hill, died Thursday. I'm not suggesting that you get vaccinated at all. I don't know you and if you get infected and die I'll probably never learn of it. I do hope that if you do become infected you won't take the hospital space for some elderly person that has a heart attack or stroke. I don't mean to sound cruel but someone needs to point out what is fair. Good luck with your decision.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MSchad

Don’t understand the division. Vaxed or unvaxed, “science” proves both contract and pass the virus. If you and yours are healthy, enjoy your holidays with your loved ones. If you are sick stay home. Advice we have all followed and passed on for decades.

There are many differences! One IS that the vaxxed ones do NOT die, but the unvaxxed DO. All the reputable, non-propagandizing TV and media channels and radio have given COUNTLESS examples and face-to-face interviews with dying CV patients warning their relatives and ALL others to, "GET the Shot"! If you have a DEATH WISH, just do not get the vaccine and continue with your normal, Russian Roulette lifestyle, while taking innocent people with you.
2nd) pretending the CV does NOT exist IS inviting disaster and providing an incubation area for the Virus to mutate to a stronger variety.
3rd) personally from my perspective and from a humanitarian and social perspective - I have eliminated all friendships and acquaintances that I know are anti-vaxxers. I don't want them around me - they make my skin itch and I don't trust them and try to NEVER do business with them! Did I make myself clear enough? Did I stutter?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ithos

Fauci is self serving publicity hound, a habitual liar and a shill for Big Pharma. And untold thousands have died because of it.

He covered for WHO and the CCP early on when they conducted the sham investigation

He lied when he said COVID was of natural origin.

He lied about Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine despite documented findings from government agencies and renowned health professionals around the world.

Ivermectin, antiviral properties and COVID-19: a possible new mechanism of action - PubMed
Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 - PubMed

And he lied before Congress about funding the Wuhan Lab.

Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

He doesn't have supporters. He has groupies.

Saint Anthony Fauci Prayer Candle Label | Etsy

I disagree with what may be the ALL-TIME worst content on this subject!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NJMike

The covid variants will probably continue, real or imagined, until the government has gained complete control over our lives. The final variant will probably be called "Communism".

By THAT logic, Portugal must have gone communist without our knowledge, because Portugal has a 98% CV vaccination rate!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

God Bless you. Celebrate life and family. I would propose that those who want to isolate from their families most likely had that in them since before the virus.

From my statistical calculation of # of pro-anti-vaxxers relative to the # of pro-vaccination folks - I may either move to Portugal or stay here and start building a fall-out shelter ( with CV blocking air filters).
When this is finally over (like right now in Portugal) I may STILL be afraid of my so-many crazy neighbors. There are a lot out there, Dorthy.....forget Kansas let's duck back into OZ!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep...

"step out of line"
"the man come"
"and rip off your mask"
That's where we are headed, WE are NOT in Kansas anymore. Dorthy!

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by blueash

There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

He quoted Fauci. Period. It doesn't sound like he is making an issue, more like you are making an issue.