[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Sales tax and gas tax are two different things.

Really? Who knew? (though I'm not sure sales tax isn't included in the combined state tax on fuel)

The same thing could apply to a person buying a new $20,000 Nissan Versa and one purchasing a new $500,000 Rolls Royce Phantom, but it still has nothing to do with road usage fees.

Is the Phantom an EV? If not then what is the comparison? But for a RR EV (or any EV) perhaps part of the sales tax should be diverted to the road fund. At least then there would be some additional value for the additional tax.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Really? Who knew? (though I'm not sure sales tax isn't included in the combined state tax on fuel)



Is the Phantom an EV? If not then what is the comparison? But for a RR EV (or any EV) perhaps part of the sales tax should be diverted to the road fund. At least then there would be some additional value for the additional tax.

Or charge a tax included in the fee at a charging station, just as the gas tax is pay at the pump. As far as home charging goes, add a tax on the sale of the charging units or even meter them.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

This credit takes absolutely nothing from anyone. This tax credit is non-refundable - you can't claim more than you actually pay. This credit can set your tax liability to $0 but does not pay you anything back. This credit doesn't take money from the poor to pay the rich, it simply says the purchaser doesn't have to pay that amount in their taxes this year.

(This is unlike other credits where money is taken from taxpayers to give refunds to those who pay $0 in taxes.... a true example of taking from the rich and giving to the poor)

A tax credit is still money taken from the expected income tax to be collected. It is still giving rich people government money for purchasing an electric car.
Not all low income people pay $0 in taxes. As I said, if you want to have a virtue signaling electric car, pay the full price.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Really? Who knew? (though I'm not sure sales tax isn't included in the combined state tax on fuel)



Is the Phantom an EV? If not then what is the comparison? But for a RR EV (or any EV) perhaps part of the sales tax should be diverted to the road fund. At least then there would be some additional value for the additional tax.

It is irrelevant that the RR isn't an electric vehicle. Electric vehicles cost more than a comparable gas vehicle because of the low production numbers and added technical complexity. That has no bearing on gas tax at all. You buy expensive toys, you pay expensive prices for them. Should the owner of a TV Premier Home be given a tax break because the house costs more than a Patio Villa? That is the argument you are making because electric cars costs more.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

They can’t take it out of the taxes of the 47% who don’t pay tax

Low income single people and childless couples don't get those tax breaks.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

A tax credit is still money taken from the expected income tax to be collected. It is still giving rich people government money for purchasing an electric car.
Not all low income people pay $0 in taxes. As I said, if you want to have a virtue signaling electric car, pay the full price.

So now you want to talk about expected income! Does that mean that when I was able to retire I became a rich person and was essentially given money because my expected income decreased and my tax burden was reduced? That's a pretty odd definition.

I reject the idea that keeping something I already have can be construed as being given something. Taking less from me is not giving something back to me, it is simply taking less.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Low income single people and childless couples don't get those tax breaks.

How could someone who is paying zero taxes get a tax break?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

It is irrelevant that the RR isn't an electric vehicle. Electric vehicles cost more than a comparable gas vehicle because of the low production numbers and added technical complexity.

They say you should learn something every day... this seems to be my day!

That has no bearing on gas tax at all. You buy expensive toys, you pay expensive prices for them. Should the owner of a TV Premier Home be given a tax break because the house costs more than a Patio Villa? That is the argument you are making because electric cars costs more.

No, that is not the point I am making. If the Phantom is not electric then there is no tax credit even though it is more expensive than most EVs.

On the other hand, if the owner of the TV Premier Home installs solar panels and reduces the load on the electrical grid then yes, maybe he should be given a tax break. The extra costs he is paying provides some tangible benefit to others (reduced loading leading to extended lifetime) and perhaps that should be rewarded in some minimal way.

[Pugchief]

It doesn't take long for threads to get derailed here.

I have had a Tesla model 3 at my cold, UpNorth house for 4.5 years. If you have a garage and don't drive more than 100 miles in a typical day, EVs are awesome. Near zero maintenance, electricity is cheaper than gas (especially if you charge overnight and are on an hourly pricing plan with the electric co) and they are a pleasure to drive.

You do NOT have to upgrade your panel or install a 220v line, but it makes things easier. You can plug into a regular 110v outlet....yes it takes longer, but plugged in overnight at 110v is plenty of time to put 100 miles back on the battery.

If you live in a city, don't have a garage or do a long commute, an EV is going to be extremely inconvenient. As for road trips, I have friends who have done 1500 mile trips in a Tesla. As long as you are mostly on Interstate highways, you should be fine. Or not.

In summary, a typical Villager would probably be happy with an EV unless they take lots of long road trips and do not have a second car that runs on gasoline.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

How could someone who is paying zero taxes get a tax break?

Let me expand on my statement, low income single and childless couples don't get the tax breaks that allow them to pay no taxes. They do pay income tax.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

How could someone who is paying zero taxes get a tax break?

Maybe not tax break, but tax credit.

EITC for one and I believe the Child Tax Credit was another. Can reduce your tax responsibility and also increase your refund.

Not saying either of these are necessarily bad, but unless I'm reading it wrong, in some cases they can result in refunds in excess of the amount of tax withheld during the year.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Let me expand on my statement, low income single and childless couples don't get the tax breaks that allow them to pay no taxes. They do pay income tax.

Then they are not in the 47% that don’t pay taxes

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

It doesn't take long for threads to get derailed here.

...

Sorry

[Keefelane66]

Our Hybrid is perfectly fine on a fill-up 11.8 gal can get up to 700 actually about 650. Our annual drive to Rhode Island takes 20 gallons. IF our world were trips to Tampa and Orlando and around The Villages owning and EV would be fine.
While in The Villages usually we refuel about every 6 weeks usually around 5-6 gallons.

[Toymeister]

There are certainly choices that are not gasoline only or electric only cars.

Plug in hybrids cover the daily commute and still have a gas engine to go long distances. In my opinion this is the intelligent choice for most for the next twenty years.