[Bucco]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.

The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically, Martin behaved accordingly.

Appreciate your reply and your honesty. We agree on some points but do not on others, mostly because I watched none of the testimony on this case at all.

I shut down when the investigation was shut down after the event. I shut down when two political sides became the driving force and folks made the evidence fit what they were being told on the media of their choice where it has become a nightly discussion and all one sided one way or another.

I really think that politics has nothing to do within...WITHIN...the justice system and within trials and more importantly as relates to this case.....WITHIN INVESTIGATIONS.

Watching the posts on here I was just curious because it seems to me that those who are what you call "lefties" have always posted on here about Zimmerman as if he were satan himself. They blatently talk about his body, and put words and actions into the conversation that never ever occurred.
Those who would then be called "righties" try to paint Zimmerman as an angel on earth, as someone who never errs.

I keep the young man out of this because he is gone and that is a shame but the same thing has applied to him. How sad that our political commentary enters into this and allows us to be actually so mean spirited about two young men that we do not know and rely on the pundits to tell us how to think and what to say.

I was disturbed as some on here kept score as if this was a sporting event and in some cases would post almost word for word from whomever the legal "expert" was on their selected network based on politics.

Had those with big mouths kept them shut early on and allowed the investigation to continue, and not allowed folks to CHANGE evidence and go completely around a system, we may have had a just decision a long long time ago, but it served some political agenda and thus everything that we SAY we are for in justice in this country was circumnavigated.

This kind of case, as with others that Mr Sharpton has been involved in, simply make any divide in this country larger and larger, while he continues to dodge taxes and create this divide, folks watch, listen and hang on his words politically.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by janmcn

After deliberating for three hours and 32 minutes, the jury has requested to return to their hotel, and court is in recess until 9:00am tomorrow.

George Zimmerman looked concerned today when the jury instructions were read. Perhaps it wasn't God's will that he kill Trayvon Martin after all.

It was heartening to hear that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison, with a minimum of 15 years. Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions that night.

Originally Posted by gomoho

Please share with me what evidence you have to make this assumption. Not speculation, assumptions, or probablys, but evidence.

The evidence that the jury recessed after three hours and 32 minutes of deliberations and will reconvene at 9:00am was reported by all the major networks.

The Florida statute that dictates that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison with a minimum of 15 years is contained in the Florida laws. Look it up.

George Zimmerman said on Sean Hannity's show, with his attorney present, that he had no remorse and "it was God's will" that he shot Trayvon Martin. Just check Sean Hannity shows for a copy of the tape.

"Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions" was my editorial comment based on the look on his face when the judge was reading the jury instructions.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-the-jury?lite

[gomoho]

Janmanc - appreciate the response, but I was asking buggyone for his evidence that GZ is a hateful, despicable killer.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Janmanc - appreciate the response, but I was asking buggyone for his evidence that GZ is a hateful, despicable killer.

I guess we have to wait for the jury's decision on that one.

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The evidence that the jury recessed after three hours and 32 minutes of deliberations and will reconvene at 9:00am was reported by all the major networks.

The Florida statute that dictates that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison with a minimum of 15 years is contained in the Florida laws. Look it up.

George Zimmerman said on Sean Hannity's show, with his attorney present, that he had no remorse and "it was God's will" that he shot Trayvon Martin. Just check Sean Hannity shows for a copy of the tape.

"Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions" was my editorial comment based on the look on his face when the judge was reading the jury instructions.


Zimmerman case goes to the jury - U.S. News

The amount of time the jury deliberates is not evidence of anything, nor is the sentence (which the jury knows nothing about).

I agree that being on the Hannity show was stupid and I'm shocked that O'Mara let him do it.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Janmanc - appreciate the response, but I was asking buggyone for his evidence that GZ is a hateful, despicable killer.

No direct questions to other posters are allowed on this forum.

Anyhow, we will have to wait for the jury's decision.

[Kelsie52]

Sad to say but we watched almost every minute of this trial .... I saw almost no evidence that GZ was the aggressor --lots of speculation!!!

Witnesses saw nothing --- specific --

There was just no evidence --to come close to PROVING GZ was hunting TM

He had a gun --YES!! so do I and I suspect many here on TOTV also have a weapon . Did he ever Draw the gun before he was being beaten yes while he was "following TM ? NO ---The reason he carried the gun was for self protection.

The burden of proof is great !! and I do not think it was even close to being met

We will never know what was in GZ mind ---but if I were a juror --we would have been home already ----

[dillywho]

Think about the way Zimmerman looked at that time, not how he looks now all spiffied up. Would you not be in fear of this guy continuing to follow you all over the place, never even attempting to tell you who he was and why he was on your tail? How was this kid supposed to know the guy was on the phone with the police? He never said he was.

Many have said that Martin should have just gone on home. Really, and lead this guy to your place where there was no adult, only a 12-year old boy? Zimmerman didn't want to give out his phone number or address because the "bad" guy might be listening? Isn't that just a tad paranoid?

Given all this, might it not be said that this kid was just defending himself against possible great bodily harm or even death? Martin couldn't even get a decent answer out of this "creep" (his words) about why he was following him or if he had a problem, depending on whose version you believe when he asked. The right to defend himself that night was not exclusively Zimmerman's. According to the law, reasonable fear of severe bodily harm or even death is all self defense takes with no requirement to flee first (which is exactly what I think Martin did when he ran and Zimmerman went after him). You don't even have to be hurt and have any marks on you...just a reasonable fear that you might. Unfortunately, since he died, nobody will ever know for sure what really happened.

Even if this kid had called 911, how was he going to tell them right where he was or how to find him if Zimmerman had to look to see where he was after living there for several years, not less than 10 days?

Do I think he is guilty of Murder 2? No. Manslaughter? Yes. Life as he knew it is lost and gone forever, but he can eventually recover. Martin will never have that chance.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Kelsie52

Sad to say but we watched almost every minute of this trial .... I saw almost no evidence that GZ was the aggressor --lots of speculation!!!

Witnesses saw nothing --- specific --

There was just no evidence --to come close to PROVING GZ was hunting TM

He had a gun --YES!! so do I and I suspect many here on TOTV also have a weapon . Did he ever Draw the gun before he was being beaten yes while he was "following TM ? NO ---The reason he carried the gun was for self protection.

The burden of proof is great !! and I do not think it was even close to being met

We will never know what was in GZ mind ---but if I were a juror --we would have been home already ----

...

[DougB]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.
The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically,
Martin behaved accordingly.

I'm definitely a righty. Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Yes

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Think about the way Zimmerman looked at that time, not how he looks now all spiffied up. Would you not be in fear of this guy continuing to follow you all over the place, never even attempting to tell you who he was and why he was on your tail? How was this kid supposed to know the guy was on the phone with the police? He never said he was.

Many have said that Martin should have just gone on home. Really, and lead this guy to your place where there was no adult, only a 12-year old boy? Zimmerman didn't want to give out his phone number or address because the "bad" guy might be listening? Isn't that just a tad paranoid?

Given all this, might it not be said that this kid was just defending himself against possible great bodily harm or even death? Martin couldn't even get a decent answer out of this "creep" (his words) about why he was following him or if he had a problem, depending on whose version you believe when he asked. The right to defend himself that night was not exclusively Zimmerman's. According to the law, reasonable fear of severe bodily harm or even death is all self defense takes with no requirement to flee first (which is exactly what I think Martin did when he ran and Zimmerman went after him). You don't even have to be hurt and have any marks on you...just a reasonable fear that you might. Unfortunately, since he died, nobody will ever know for sure what really happened.

Even if this kid had called 911, how was he going to tell them right where he was or how to find him if Zimmerman had to look to see where he was after living there for several years, not less than 10 days?

Do I think he is guilty of Murder 2? No. Manslaughter? Yes. Life as he knew it is lost and gone forever, but he can eventually recover. Martin will never have that chance.

100% speculation - where is the evidence???

[cbg150]

I watched the trial and I am more convinced than ever. I want to live in a country where a kid can go out for candy, wearing a hoodie (in the rain, no less!) and not be profiled as a thug! A country where anyone who carries a weapon is trained to use that weapon with great restraint, and with the knowledge that they will be held 100% accountable if that weapon is misused. There will always be street fights but minus the introduction of a gun, injuries sustained would be limited to scrapes, bloody noses and bruises. The time has come for justice for Trayvon and for all other peace-loving Americans!!


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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by DougB

I'm definitely a righty. Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Yes

Redwitch and DougB.

I can see that the two of you do NOT think along political lines all of the time.

To me that is very wise.

I know one of you well, and the other I have never met. I try very hard not to let the usual right or left philosophy decide my views.

It is refreshing to see you both do too.

Another thing that makes me listen when you post is that neither of you are filled with hatred or subject to youthful unrealistic rightousness.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by buggyone

No direct questions to other posters are allowed on this forum.

Then why do you ask them?

[buggyone]

No direct questions to other posters are allowed on this forum are allowed.