[buggyone]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Actually, your question was in fact answered quite clearly.. .you just didn’t like the content. In the meantime, you have not yet identified in any of your posts that I’ve seen a solution to stop the influx of illegal immigration.

So, to be fair, it’s my turn now. I have some questions for you.

1. I noticed you made two comments about (lack of) Christian compassion. I’m guessing you’re not a Christian yourself but rather more secular in your tastes hence your particular turn of phrase. Am I correct?

2. Why do you think it’s compassionate to put illegals in suites at $140 per day while leaving minority kids in bullet ridden neighborhoods where the governance model and family structure has clearly broken down after 50 plus years of misguided social policy … all done ironically enough in the name of compassion? That seems pretty logical as well as compassionate to me. The kids in Chicago and other urban areas live in hellholes every bit as bad as some of the places the illegal kids come from. What about homeless vets, poor people of other backgrounds etc? Why would charity not start at home?

3. More importantly, what would you actually do to STOP the flow? In other words, after you vent about compassion and let us know how much you care etc, along with some other posters, what are you going to actually do to SOLVE the problem?

4. Alternatively, do you even want to stop the influx of illegal immigrants?

Just be honest in your answers is all I’m asking, and don’t mask your intentions and preferences on this important topic.

1. No, you are wrong.

2. Ask those minority kids in Chicago if they want to go to a detention center in Texas and see what answer you get.

3. Let them come to the USA.

4. No.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Trish Crocker

I don't have an answer or solution, all I know is that I thank God that I don't have to send my child to another country in order to keep them alive. Of course it's not a good situation and as a country we are forced to determine the right thing to do, not only to keep our 'real' citizens happy but to also be humane. I am appalled at the actions of many people, people who profess to be Christians. I have never, ever seen hatred like this. You try living in one of these 'suites'...picture your child there, alone, afraid. Heaven forbid they should be able to play ping pong. Let's punish them. Let's see, what would make you happy...dirt floors, gruel, rocks to play with. Is it the 'flat screen' tvs that bother you? Would it be ok if they had old tube type tvs? Maybe they shouldn't be entertained at all....they don't deserve it...they aren't American. Let them wallow in filth and stare at the ceiling until we can toss them back over the border. Yep, that's what Jesus would do.

Well, given what’s going on I don’t think it’s sufficient for you to simply say you don’t know what to do. You need to help figure this out, as well as all of us do, so please think about it some more and see if you can offer some solutions. I invite you to post them here.

Also, it’s very presumptuous IMHO to impugn or categorize practical solutions to stem the flow as ‘hatred.” I think that’s misinformed, and more importantly, too easy of an exit for you. We could all take the easy way out and say … oh yes, we can’t do enough for these poor kids!! Like you and others. I could say what the heck, money is no object. But guess what, this is a HUGE problem and we need to solve it. It’s not hatred to point out the obvious that this cannot go on with totally transforming this Country (which is why some are trying to do just that … but it’s a separate topic)

There are BILLIONS of poor people in the world. We can NOT take everyone on board adults, kids or whoever. That is reality so we all need to deal with it including you.

As far as tossing them back across the border as you put it, would you like for all of them to stay here? Really?? Would you like to maybe invite a few million more to come in? 20 million? 100 million? What’s your limit? Would you like to take a few onboard to live with you and your husband? How about putting some up with your kids and grandkids? Maybe convert all Villages Rec Centers into refugee centers. I’m just curious to know where your definition of compassion ends.? Please enlighten us.

But in the meantime, putting illegal aliens into "suites" while we have plenty of people here who could use the help is not very compassionate at all. Think about the guys from Wildwood or Fruitland Park that cut your yard for crying out loud. It's almost like you have a bias against American citizens who are poor but have a special soft spot if they come across the border illegally.

[buggyone]

Some on this thread are hung up on the word " suite". The facility is a refurbished detention center. There are rooms. Do they have private showers or toilets? I doubt it. I would bet the shower room and bathroom is down the hall and serves several rooms. The average stay is supposed to be 23 days. It is for women and children. Yes, there is supposed to be a telephone and television. No big deal on that. What else are they supposed to do for 23 days?

This is not a Marriott timeshare on Palm Beach but a detention center in Texas.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by buggyone

1. No, you are wrong.

2. Ask those minority kids in Chicago if they want to go to a detention center in Texas and see what answer you get.

3. Let them come to the USA.4. No.

Being you get to direct questions I will direct some. NO you are wrong and don't really have clue. That's the problem Load them up and take them back. THEY ARE ILLEGALLY in this COUntry AND stealing benifits from poor legal citzens that deserve it while it lasts.

[Bay Kid]

No reward for illegal activities, no matter the age.

[Topspinmo]

"that's what Jesus would do? " Really! GOD has nothing to do with it. If he did he would of done something already all over the world. I like how we use trigger words. Like God, undocumented, Climate change, ect. The Fact is they are illegal NOT UNDOCUMENTED and the Gov. that got voted in doing nothing but making it worse. But, that's the future Freeloader's with voting power's spending someone else's money till it runs out. IMO till this country OUT OF red like 18 trillion and climbing, No foreign aid to any country.

Amazing here illegally you get lawyer? for what it's proven fact you are breaking the law. But, lawyer's have to eat and buy basic needs like luxury cars, summer homes, condo, mistresses, and that's IMO what's it about Lawyers making the law so they get paid regardless! O I forgot the vote also.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Rc Moser

"that's what Jesus would do? " Really! GOD has nothing to do with it. If he did he would of done something already all over the world. I like how we use trigger words. Like God, undocumented, Climate change, ect. The Fact is they are illegal NOT UNDOCUMENTED and the Gov. that got voted in doing nothing but making it worse. But, that's the future Freeloader's with voting power's spending someone else's money till it runs out. IMO till this country OUT OF red like 18 trillion and climbing, No foreign aid to any country.

Amazing here illegally you get lawyer? for what it's proven fact you are breaking the law. But, lawyer's have to eat and buy basic needs like luxury cars, summer homes, condo, mistresses, and that's IMO what's it about Lawyers making the law so they get paid regardless! O I forgot the vote also.

[janmcn]

rhttp://publicreligion.org/research/2014/07/july-2014-unaccompanied-minors/


Nearly seven in ten Americans say these children should be treated as refugees, according to this poll by the public religion research institute.

Members of congress need to take a trip to Honduras, Guatemala, and I can't remember the third country, before voting again to send them back.


http://publicreligion.org/research/2...panied-minors/

[jblum315]

We can't house our own impoverished families but we can house immigrants?

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by buggyone

1. No, you are wrong.

2. Ask those minority kids in Chicago if they want to go to a detention center in Texas and see what answer you get.

3. Let them come to the USA.

4. No.

Buggy, first of all, I genuinely appreciate your honesty. Seems like most people on this board who have (what I would term) extreme Leftist positions often try to mask them or not make it too obvious lest it upset the majority who are often not paying attention. I’ll give you credit -- you have come out directly for Open Borders, loud and clear, so thanks for letting us all know where you truly stand.

I think you are wrong about the minority kids etc. Young males might balk at it I agree, but what would happen if you offered Southside Chicago Moms and their familites a chance to leave, even if only for 23 days, to live in these very nice residential facilities? These Moms worry about their children, including infants and young toddlers, and have to dodge bullets and drug dealers pretty much every day. Don’t fool yourself … a LOT of folks would jump at the chance to get out, even if only for a brief respite. I just cite Chicago as one of many examples.

But, let's get to the main topic ...

Just so people know, and for those who may not have read the earlier posts, I asked you what you would do to actually STOP the flow and you said “Let them come to the USA.” I take that to mean no limits. If that’s not true, please correct me.

When I further asked if you even want to stop the influx of illegal immigrants, you simply said “no.” I think this position is not only morally wrong, but incredibly damaging to our country. The reasons are obvious to most. Suffice it to say it boils down to a math problem. The number of impoverished people who would love to come to the USA, is INFINITE for all practical purposes. We simply cannot do it and it will not work.

If someone wants to literally destroy America over time, Open Borders is about the best way to do it short of some type of military event. Once people understand what is at stake, most will resist and fight back to prevent it. The current challenge in responding is, given that “children” are involved, many Americans are immobilized from doing anything. Then the arguments about “hate” and “lack of compassion” emerge … with none of the “compassionate” ever telling us how they would actually solve the problem of unrestricted illegal immigration.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Some on this thread are hung up on the word " suite". The facility is a refurbished detention center. There are rooms. Do they have private showers or toilets? I doubt it. I would bet the shower room and bathroom is down the hall and serves several rooms. The average stay is supposed to be 23 days. It is for women and children. Yes, there is supposed to be a telephone and television. No big deal on that. What else are they supposed to do for 23 days?

This is not a Marriott timeshare on Palm Beach but a detention center in Texas.

Actually, you need to provide a full picture of what “we the taxpayers” are now providing to illegal aliens who break our laws to come here. It is much more than being “hung up” on the word “suite.”

• First of all, it is no longer referred to as a detention center but rather as a “resident center.”
• The illegal aliens, instead of being referred to as detainees, are referred to as “residents”
• Illegals will be given a free health examination upon arrival
• Illegals also get six sets of free clothing
• Doctors attention will be available at all times … free of course (which always means the taxpayer pasy)
• “Residents” will have free access to a dentist
• Other amenities include recreational fields, a library, internet access, and a cafeteria which will serve three all-you-can-eat meals a day. “Free” of course.
• Recreation activities include exercise equipment, a soccer field, basketball court, and volleyball court.
• Certified teachers will also be on site to provide year-round education .Free!
• Small jobs will also be available paying $3 a day for four hours of work.
• Free immigration attorney services … the purpose of which in all practicality is to find a way to enable the illegals to stay in the US
• Families will be able to move throughout the center freely from 6am to 10pm.
• Visitors will be allowed from 8am to 8pm.
• Cable television is available in each 8-person suite.
• A computer lab allows some internet access and email services but restricts social media.

Now, while I know you have no problem with giving illegals all this “free stuff” and in fact seemingly dismiss it as no big deal, I think most people find this to be a big deal indeed. Let’s see if I can pick the correct term .. outrageous? Idiotic? Unbelievable? Incredible? I could go on, and I’m sure others could add to my list of words.

Some people on this board also think that to say this is “mean” or “hateful”. I disagree. While they may think they are being compassionate, I say they are disconnected from reality and common sense. Sure, everyone feels sorry for the little kids but guess what, we can NOT fix the world, and the time has come to draw a line.

Do you think that when “residents” telephone home to Central America that they say “stay away, this place is horrible?” No, of course not, it’s “get on the first death train you can find … these crazy Americans are giving away all kinds of stuff away. You won’t believe it!!” I still don’t believe it. It results in even more illegals, including children, making the trek to get to the US.

How do you think the local guys who cut your grass here in The Villages, and who live on the financial edge, many of whom can’t afford a doctor, and most of whom have never even seen a dentist feel about putting illegal aliens in “suites”? These guys all WORK their butts off, and pay taxes, even if not much, but don’t get any of this “free” stuff. Is that really enlightened? What about the hundreds of homeless who live in the Ocala Forest? You get the picture. It goes way beyond the word “suite.”

Most Americans, once they really understand what is going on, will have one common reaction … fury. When they realize that many of those who support the “suites” actually support Open Borders, they will feel duped and their level of anger will justifiably increase further.

[buggyone]

The guys who cut our grass are all citizens of the US? Do you really think that? Anyhow, if they cannot afford a doctor, that is the purpose of the Affordable Care Act. It is provided to those who cannot pay. They are eligible for food stamps and various types of social welfare - which is only right.

As for those living in the Ocala forest, most are mentally ill and do not work or want to live elsewhere. Many still receive their VA disability checks even though they are homeless.

As for the services provided to the immigrants at the detention center - it sounds perfectly right to me.

I have never called your posts mean or hateful. It is your opinion and the free exchange of opinions is what this forum is about. I respect that just as you do.

[perrjojo]

I'm not very good at math once it gets into the billions but I think 2.7 billion divided by 90,000 possible illegal immigrant children equals $30,000 per child. What about the 6,000 homeless children here in our Tri county area? What are we doing for them? Would 2.7 billion be better spent to solve problems in the Va? Where does it all stop? When do we quit printing money that we don't actually have? 90,000 illegal immigrant children this year, how many will come next year?

[jbdlfan]

• First of all, it is no longer referred to as a detention center but rather as a “resident center.” Who cares
• The illegal aliens, instead of being referred to as detainees, are referred to as “residents” Don't care
• Illegals will be given a free health examination upon arrival Hope so
• Illegals also get six sets of free clothing Um...six pair of underwear and such, probably about $20
• Doctors attention will be available at all times … free of course (which always means the taxpayer pasy) 21 days of healthcare....
• “Residents” will have free access to a dentist 21 days....
• Other amenities include recreational fields, a library, internet access, and a cafeteria which will serve three all-you-can-eat meals a day. “Free” of course. Ouch... bet that is expensive....open field.... um.... wifi is actually pretty cheap
• Recreation activities include exercise equipment, a soccer field, basketball court, and volleyball court. see above
• Certified teachers will also be on site to provide year-round education .Free! Good, I'm all for employing more teachers. Maybe some of the boomerang kids here in The Villages could get a job
• Small jobs will also be available paying $3 a day for four hours of work. I would think you would like this.
• Free immigration attorney services … the purpose of which in all practicality is to find a way to enable the illegals to stay in the US Isn't that the point-legal immigration
• Families will be able to move throughout the center freely from 6am to 10pm. Crazy
• Visitors will be allowed from 8am to 8pm.
• Cable television is available in each 8-person suite. Only 8 people in a "suite"? I'm sure we could get 20 or 30 in there.
• A computer lab allows some internet access and email services but restricts social media.

[VT2TV]

I know this post will probably anger some people, but that truly is not my intent. No matter which side you are on , stop to think about some of the other potential problems with taking in as many illegal immigrants as wants to come here. Most of these kids are not infants or toddlers. They are school aged and above. I don't honestly know if they are problem makers or not, but according to a couple of articles I read, a lot of them were problem makers which is why they were sent here. No, I don't know if that is true any more than anyone knows if it isn't. But suppose it is not true---at the very least, all of these kids as well as all the others that will follow will need to be educated. Our schools are over-flowing now, and as much as the teachers may try, they can only be stretched so thin. You try to add 3,4,5,100 times as many kids and teachers will quit just like doctors and nurses did when the ACA started. You may have the most dedicated perople at their job, but there are limits to what they can stand. Not to mention that the only way many teachers now can teach is to provide so many of the needed supplies themselves out of their own money. They certainly would not be able to afford to teach with so many extra kids. Classrooms-so crowded that in some places, kids are having to sit on the floor in the classrooms now-and yes, I read that in our local paper about 4 years ago, I won't even talk about the cost, but I hope everyone saved a lot of money when they were working, or are willing to go back to work. And this is a very small part of the problems. You may as well forget about anything except the bare basics in school-no money for any arts programs, or fitness. No money for the sports programs which often help underpriviledged kids have a chance to go to college, etc, etc. I could name so much more. And that is the good part--if these are problem kids, it could happen that bullies and gangs will make it so that not only the kids will be afraid to go to school, but the teachers as well. When you take problem people and change their location, you also take the problems with them. And yes, kids can be just as mean and violent as some adults. Public schools could actually cease to be because kids and teachers might be afraid to go to school. One last thing to think about is your grandchildren, or your great grandchildren. If you let all the illegals come into this country that want to , and right now the majority of them seem to be Hispanic, (and I have nothing against Hispanics), then you can bet that your grandkids or great grand kids will be speaking Spanish. The whole concept of school as we knew it would be gone. Think your grandkids will thank you?