[CFrance]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That's exactly what I said a couple of pages back. What desantis did, is no different from if he told people at BlueFin that they are not ALLOWED to make their employees wash their hands, and are not ALLOWED to make sure that any pesticides or bait traps are kept away from the food.

The content is different, but the intention is the same. desantis is telling a company that they are not allowed to do whatever they think is necessary to provide a safe experience for their customers. Whether you (the generic you, not you personally) agree that it's safe or not, is not the point. The point is it's not your place to decide what someone else feels is safe for THEIR customers. Just like desantis can't tell your neighbor that he's not allowed to ask to see your vaccine card if you want to come over his house - he can't tell the cruise line that they're not allowed to see your vaccine card if you want to board their ship.

Cruise ships are not open to the public. You have to pay to board. You have to have their permission, and you have to comply with all kinds of rules and regulations in order to enjoy the privilege - not the right - to sail as a passenger on one of their ships. This is another regulation, and they have the right to make it. You have the right to not sail. The governor has the right to whine.

And I don't think it ever would have stood up in court, but their saying Okay, we'll go elsewhere did the trick with no lawyers involved.

[billethkid]

The governor is is in a corner (of his choosing).

Now we wait for the exit strategy (or BS!).

[billethkid]

Oops....delete the dupe!

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Sure enough BUT......all passengers must wear masks, even in between bites of food and sips of a drink. I do not want to have to do that on a cruise ship. It is as simple as that.

That mask between bites thing is rarely enforced on planes from what I've heard.

Airlines are going to wind up dropping the mask requirement altogether. And I do not see the airlines requiring passengers to be vaccinated.

People have had plenty of time to get the shot if that is what they wanted to do. Those that have gotten the shot are not at risk from Covid anymore, people who had the virus now have natural immunity so it really is time to move beyond all of the unnecessary precautions.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The governor is is in a corner (of his choosing).

Now we wait for the exit strategy (or BS!).

RCCL:

"Royal Caribbean International will no longer require any of its cruise passengers to be vaccinated for COVID-19 as it had previously planned to."

In a press release Friday announcing cruises for sale on eight of its ships from U.S. ports this summer, starting with Freedom of the Seas from PortMiami on July 2, the company said it will recommend passengers get the COVID-19 vaccine, but not require it. The announcement is a reversal from previous statements andvaccine protocols the company submitted to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month that said it would require all passengers at least 18 years old and older to be vaccinated.

“Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible,” the company said in a statement. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”

[ithos]

There seems to a tremendous amount of rage about our Governor's policy to prevent restricting the rights of citizens who choose not to take an experimental vaccine.

Just curious if those concerned are also infuriated that our nation was lied to by NIH about the true origin of the most deadly virus of our lifetime. And also tried to cover up that the NIH provided funds to the notorious lab and went along with the farce of a WHO investigation. And never held the Chinese Communists accountable for prohibiting domestic travel while encouraging its citizens to travel to earth's farthest reaches resulting in millions of deaths and a global economic disaster.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Evidence says coronavirus '''could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated''' in lab - ABC7 San Francisco

Dr. Fauci discuses potential origins of COVID-19 | 9news.com
Dr. Fauci 'not convinced' coronavirus developed naturally

The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins | Vanity Fair

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

RCCL:

"Royal Caribbean International will no longer require any of its cruise passengers to be vaccinated for COVID-19 as it had previously planned to."

In a press release Friday announcing cruises for sale on eight of its ships from U.S. ports this summer, starting with Freedom of the Seas from PortMiami on July 2, the company said it will recommend passengers get the COVID-19 vaccine, but not require it. The announcement is a reversal from previous statements andvaccine protocols the company submitted to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month that said it would require all passengers at least 18 years old and older to be vaccinated.

“Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible,” the company said in a statement. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”

The testing is reasonable but the "other protocols" sounds dubious.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ithos

There seems to a tremendous amount of rage about our Governor's policy to prevent restricting the rights of citizens who choose not to take an experimental vaccine.

Just curious if those concerned are also infuriated that our nation was lied to by NIH about the true origin of the most deadly virus of our lifetime. And also tried to cover up that the NIH provided funds to the notorious lab and went along with the farce of a WHO investigation. And never held the Chinese Communists accountable for prohibiting domestic travel while encouraging its citizens to travel to earth's farthest reaches resulting in millions of deaths and a global economic disaster.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Evidence says coronavirus '''could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated''' in lab - ABC7 San Francisco

Dr. Fauci discuses potential origins of COVID-19 | 9news.com
Dr. Fauci 'not convinced' coronavirus developed naturally

The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins | Vanity Fair

No one is enraged about the governor not restricting the rights of people to choose not to vaccinate.

What people are angry about is the governor telling a private place of business that they aren't allowed to set their own safety policies for their own paying customers.

People don't have the "right" to go on a cruise ship. You don't have that right. You just don't. If a cruise line wants to ALLOW you to board its ship, it has the RIGHT to set restrictions if it wants to. As long as those restrictions don't violate your CIVIL rights, then they can make those restrictions.

They can't refuse to sell you a ticket because you're black, or white, or disabled, or a woman, or a man, or Muslim, or Jewish, or Christian, or Pagan. But they CAN refuse to sell you a ticket if you refuse to vaccinate. Being vaccinated is not listed as a protected class.

The governor doesn't care. That's what people are angry about.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by ithos

The testing is reasonable but the "other protocols" sounds dubious.

RCCL is doing the right thing here. I am vaccinated and would declare so. Although I have some doubts on testing accuracy. What tests will they be using?

[kathyspear]

At this point in time I am not going to travel on a ship if proof of vax is not required.

I am vax'd and I am not worried about getting sick. I am worried that if a bunch of un-vax'd people are on the ship they might get sick, overwhelm the medical facilities, and cause the captain to decide to return to home port. I don't want to end up with another credit from the cruise line. I want to take a relaxing, stress-free vacation so I am currently researching options with cruise lines that require vaccination.

I am in agreement with the gov. on most things but not this.

kathy

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

There are too many things to do on land; no cruises for us. Will not chance getting stuck on a boat if a bunch come down sick.

Could, that's for sure, I totally agree, but... then I also think, could happen in any hotel (Legionnaire's years ago killed many), could happen at any resort, could happen on any flight, could happen at any restaurant, could...... guess life's just a risky business hu / enjoy while we can. Love all kinds of travel but sure miss the kind of peace and relaxation of a long ocean voyage... don't crave the roller coasters and bumper cars.... LOL... but something so refreshing and relaxing about being out to sea we think... Go to school at Fayetteville campus ? Have son in law school there now ! Go Razorbacks

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by ithos

There seems to a tremendous amount of rage about our Governor's policy to prevent restricting the rights of citizens who choose not to take an experimental vaccine.

Just curious if those concerned are also infuriated that our nation was lied to by NIH about the true origin of the most deadly virus of our lifetime. And also tried to cover up that the NIH provided funds to the notorious lab and went along with the farce of a WHO investigation. And never held the Chinese Communists accountable for prohibiting domestic travel while encouraging its citizens to travel to earth's farthest reaches resulting in millions of deaths and a global economic disaster.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Evidence says coronavirus '''could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated''' in lab - ABC7 San Francisco

Dr. Fauci discuses potential origins of COVID-19 | 9news.com
Dr. Fauci 'not convinced' coronavirus developed naturally

The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins | Vanity Fair

Interesting you quote Fauci when it has been revealed that he was culpable in the funding of the Wuhan Lab studies into gain of function of the bat virii. Fauci has lied to Congress and must be prosecuted for that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Interesting you quote Fauci when it has been revealed that he was culpable in the funding of the Wuhan Lab studies into gain of function of the bat virii. Fauci has lied to Congress and must be prosecuted for that.

Here’s What We Know About the Fauci COVID Emails | Snopes.com

and before you dismiss snopes as "fake news" remember they just debunked the rumor that a certain former president's pants were on backward during that person's recent rally in a nearby state. Snopes said that rumor was false, that the guy's pants were not on backward afterall, it was photoshopped and a doctored video.

Either they're fake news and that guy's pants WERE on backward, or they're not fake news and there was no "gain of function." (and do you even know what that means, without doing a google search first? I didn't. I had to look it up.)

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

RCCL:

"Royal Caribbean International will no longer require any of its cruise passengers to be vaccinated for COVID-19 as it had previously planned to."

In a press release Friday announcing cruises for sale on eight of its ships from U.S. ports this summer, starting with Freedom of the Seas from PortMiami on July 2, the company said it will recommend passengers get the COVID-19 vaccine, but not require it. The announcement is a reversal from previous statements andvaccine protocols the company submitted to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month that said it would require all passengers at least 18 years old and older to be vaccinated.

“Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible,” the company said in a statement. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”

Good luck to all those who choose to sail on a ship with an unlimited amount of un-vaccinated people. I won't be one of them. I'm not about to mask up and be mandated to distance from others and deal with limited capacities due to having un-vaccinated people on board a cruise ship. That is not the cruise vacation experience I'm willing to pay for.

I sincerely hope un-vaxxed ships can remain safe and healthy as I do not want to see the cruise industry suffer the repercussions if a ship comes limping in to home port with a Covid outbreak on board.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

RCCL:

"Royal Caribbean International will no longer require any of its cruise passengers to be vaccinated for COVID-19 as it had previously planned to."

In a press release Friday announcing cruises for sale on eight of its ships from U.S. ports this summer, starting with Freedom of the Seas from PortMiami on July 2, the company said it will recommend passengers get the COVID-19 vaccine, but not require it. The announcement is a reversal from previous statements andvaccine protocols the company submitted to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month that said it would require all passengers at least 18 years old and older to be vaccinated.

“Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible,” the company said in a statement. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”

Very bad move on Royal's part, IMHO. I won't be on any of those ships having to mask up and follow the safety protocols just to have an unlimited amount of un-vaxxed people on board. I surely hope those unvaxxed ships remain safe and healthy as I do not want to see the cruise industry negatively impacted.