Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1934556)

Gracie, you know the context of my statement that Mr Floyd's history does not matter, and you KNOW I meant in context to Chauvin's actions.

If, as a father, he came to pick up my daughter for a date, and I knew his history I still don't have a right to kill him. If I am hiring a contractor and he bids on it and I learn his history, I don't have a right to kill him. If I live in a "safe" neighborhood and he is walking down the street wearing a sign that says "I AM A DRUG USING CRIMINAL" I don't have a right to kill him.

Is this sinking in yet? His past history does not impact how Chauvin's nine minutes on his neck are judged. I know, big scary Black man right? It does not matter. Neither you, nor I, nor convicted murderer Chauvin have the right to kill him.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1934563)

I will count you as such.

I will also say that what he had done previously does matter. When someone says "He is a known felon" that does sway the opinion of most people. DEREK CHAUVIN may have not been a great cop, in fact may have been a lousy police officer, but he did not deliberately aim to kill the man. He was trying to restrain him. He was trying to restrain him. George Floyd would be alive today in a cell somewhere, if he had sit when he was told to SIT.

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE EXACTLY, in that situation if it was you and George Floyd, Bill???????????? Pretend he is white. Pretend he is Asian. Pretend he is Australian Aboriginal. Pretend he is a Pacific Islander. I don't see race as a factor here. But maybe YOU do???

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1934494)

" Please stop making up false facts to fit your preference."

Exactly. In the aftermath of the just verdict, this is becoming popular among a large demographic. Now we just have to wait and see during the sentencing, whether the judge is part of that same demographic.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1934573)

Sir/Madam. It is apparent that YOU are part of a large demographic that seems to walk in lock-step as well. Watch your thinking. It is bigoted to think of groups as all thinking alike. For instance;.... Many people think of a group that does not get vaccinated against Covid-19. Sumter county who is largely from that group .... has the highest vaccination percentage of all of the counties in Florida.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1934553)

Count me I the group who feels a human being should not have been treated that way in that situation. What he might have done previously does not matter and does not justify what was done in that situation.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1934545)

Doctor, I think you try to be fair and even. This sentence tells me that you are failing to grasp the truth when it is right in front of you.

"It does not matter what George Floyd's past criminal history might have been. "

It really DOES matter to everyone; to fathers worrying about the people their children date, to people trying to find honest contractors, to people who live alone, to people who allow children to go to play at other people's homes. To people who want to live in a safe area, To people who want to trust everyone. To people who do not have a criminal history because they made choices that were sometimes quite difficult.

Maybe the judge can keep that information from the jurors, but it does matter. It always matters. It REALLY matters. It matters, Doctor. YOU have your opinion and your summary judgement, and I have mine.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1934471)

I think it is entirely possible that Derek Chauvin was an unprincipled person. I feel almost sure that George Floyd was an unprincipled person. I know, I know, we need to give everyone a new chance. George Floyd was arrested and sentenced to a penitentiary for several years for breaking into a private home and holding a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman, allowing three accomplices in to rob the home. He moved to Minnesota for a "new start". The police were called because he tried to pass a counterfeit twenty dollar bill. The camera's inside the store showed him swaying slightly and appearing to be under the influence of something. He got into a car with several other people who later refused to answer questions and took the fifth amendment as reason. I have to think they were somehow involved with buying or selling drugs, or they could have just been very private and did not want to answer questions. At the time that Derek Chauvin allowed George Floyd to die with neck pressure, that maneuver was allowed as a means of restraint. Clearly the other means of restraint used by FOUR MEN were not working. I don't know what I would have done if it had been MY job to arrest him. I believe in my heart that it would have been a dilemma whether or not he was high on drugs, and even if he was a skinny white Episcopalian. Derek Chauvin was there to arrest him and he continued to struggle hard physically. I think this has been made a racist issue above all other considerations. AND maybe it is. I am skeptical.

I am skeptical about whether this issue of "doxing" could be a red herring. I am thinking a lot of scary thoughts. Maybe because I think that people who are generally responsible and ethical worry about being at the mercy of people who are not generally responsible and ethical.