[CoachKandSportsguy]

Cargo ship carrying burning lithium-ion batteries reaches Alaska, but kept offshore | AP News

Another vessel WAS on fire due to lithium ion battery fire while transporting EV's ...good news fire is out, but Alaska is refusing to allow it to dock...count on insurance companies raising rates >>

Lithium-ion Battery Fire in Cargo Ship's Hold Is Out, Coast Guard Says

After lithium-ion batteries burned in a large cargo ship's hold for a number of days, the U.S. Coast Guard said late Saturday that the fire was out and directed the ship to anchor near Dutch Harbor, Alaska.

The 19 crew members of the ship, Genius Star XI, were uninjured and technicians from the Salvage and Marine Firefighting team remain onboard to ensure the fire doesn't return, according to a Coast Guard press release.

“This protected anchorage ... will allow the vessel to remain stable, minimizing risk of any re-flash of the fire as we continue our response," Capt. Chris Culpepper said in the press release, which said an investigation into the fire's origins will begin once response efforts wrap up. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

[oldtimes]

It’s going to happen more and more until someone comes up with an effective way to put these fires out without tens of thousands of gallons of water.

[rustyp]

Using water to extinguish a lithium battery fire may seem like a logical solution, but it can actually make the situation much worse. When water comes into contact with a lithium battery fire, several dangerous reactions can occur. Google it for more. We had a fire at electric storage station up north this summer and the fire could not be extinguished and literally had to burn itself out over several days

[tophcfa]

Best way to extinguish a lithium fire is to grab a 6 pack, run far away upwind, and sip and watch. Wait, those things take a long time to go out, better grab a 12 pack and a sleeping bag.

[dtennent]

Water reacts with lithium therefore is a poor choice for putting out the fire. Systems need to be developed that will rapidly coat the fire with salt (sodium chloride)or sand. Basically, you need to remove oxygen or water from reaching the fire.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

which is why i won't buy a lithium ion battery golf cart. . . .
battery technology is not safe enough yet

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

which is why i won't buy a lithium ion battery golf cart. . . .
battery technology is not safe enough yet

A few million people (autos & carts combined) disagree and the statistics support them. But hey, buy what you like.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

A few million people (autos & carts combined) disagree and the statistics support them. But hey, buy what you like.

And the few million about all that want them or can afford them. Why sales is starting to tank.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

And the few million about all that want them or can afford them. Why sales is starting to tank.

"want" and "can afford" have nothing to do with "safe enough"

[Chi-Town]

OP chumming the water with another lithium fire tale.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dtennent

Water reacts with lithium therefore is a poor choice for putting out the fire. Systems need to be developed that will rapidly coat the fire with salt (sodium chloride)or sand. Basically, you need to remove oxygen or water from reaching the fire.

It looks like this is the wrong approach and could actually intensify the fire.

It seems lithium battery fires are self-sustaining, the fire actually generates enough oxygen to keep itself burning. Smothering it to keep external oxygen away won't stop it and insulating it with a heavy layer of sand would keep heat in and help keep the fire burning.

One of the serious problems with lithium battery fires is "thermal runaway." One cell becomes damaged and ignites which generates enough heat to damage the next cell and cause it to ignite. The only way to stop this is to remove the heat to keep the next cell from igniting. This is where water is useful.

A problem with electric car fires is the compartment that protects the batteries from damage is designed to be waterproof. It is difficult to get water onto the batteries because the car is designed to prevent water from reaching the batteries. Tens of thousands of gallons of water are needed because so little of the water actually reaches the batteries themselves.

A firefighting tool has been designed that may help. This tool from an Austrian company punctures the battery compartment and delivers water directly to the batteries. The claim is it will take only 1,000 to 2,000 gallons to cool the batteries and stop the fire. I haven't seen any articles about it being used in practice yet.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

OP chumming the water with another lithium fire tale.

distraction for the winter doldrums with technology hate porn, or helping out the web site owner with content for advertisers for web page views. .

[biker1]

EV sales in North America "only" increased by about 50% in 2023 (from 2022), down from about a 100% increase in 2022 (from 2021). The percentage increase in sales each year will drop as sales continue to grow. That is the nature of a disruptive technology on an "S" curve. For example, once you have 50% of the market it becomes difficult to increase sales by more than 10-20% per year. About 8% of car sales in 2023 were EVs. This figure may very well grow to 50% of car sales by 2030. Buy one or don't buy one but sales will continue to grow.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

And the few million about all that want them or can afford them. Why sales is (sic) starting to tank.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

which is why i won't buy a lithium ion battery golf cart. . . .
battery technology is not safe enough yet

No more dangerous than your laptop computer, power tools, cell phone, e-book readers, electric toothbrushes, Bluetooth headphones/earpieces, digital cameras, game controllers, smart watches, key fobs and more that run on Lithium Ion batteries. The newer Lithium Ion Iron Phosphate (LFP or LiFePO4) batteries are even safer than the original Lithium Ion Cobalt batteries, hold their charge longer & have a longer lifespan. BTW, have you noticed that the golf cart fires in TV have all been gas powered carts? Lithium Ion battery fires are so rare that the press likes to focus on them just like they did with the rare cases of COVID deaths to young healthy people. The media loves a good fear-factor story! As for electric golf carts, I love mine as do everyone I know who has one.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Cargo ship carrying burning lithium-ion batteries reaches Alaska, but kept offshore | AP News

Another vessel WAS on fire due to lithium ion battery fire while transporting EV's ...good news fire is out, but Alaska is refusing to allow it to dock...count on insurance companies raising rates >>

Lithium-ion Battery Fire in Cargo Ship's Hold Is Out, Coast Guard Says

After lithium-ion batteries burned in a large cargo ship's hold for a number of days, the U.S. Coast Guard said late Saturday that the fire was out and directed the ship to anchor near Dutch Harbor, Alaska.

The 19 crew members of the ship, Genius Star XI, were uninjured and technicians from the Salvage and Marine Firefighting team remain onboard to ensure the fire doesn't return, according to a Coast Guard press release.

“This protected anchorage ... will allow the vessel to remain stable, minimizing risk of any re-flash of the fire as we continue our response," Capt. Chris Culpepper said in the press release, which said an investigation into the fire's origins will begin once response efforts wrap up. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Here we go, flaming the fear of Lithium battery fires! They are no more dangerous than your laptop computer, power tools, cell phone, e-book readers, electric toothbrushes, Bluetooth headphones/earpieces, digital cameras, game controllers, smart watches, key fobs and more that run on Lithium Ion batteries. The newer Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are even safer than the original Lithium Cobalt batteries, hold their charge longer & have a longer lifespan. BTW, have you noticed that the golf cart fires in TV have all been gas powered carts? Lithium Ion battery fires are so rare that the press likes to focus on them just like they did with the rare cases of COVID deaths to young healthy people. The media loves a good fear-factor story!