[Microcodeboy]

Those with OPINIONS against legalization should read Dr. Sanjay Gupta's article where he admits the gross misinformation that exists on the subject and how wrong he has been. This move is long overdue.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why I changed my mind on weed - United for Care

I assume I do not have to explain who he is to the "experts" on the subject.

[Sydney]

Originally Posted by DougB

Ilovetv,
We aren't saying legalize it for minors

[Golfingnut]

As long as it is against the law, there will be criminals getting rich selling it. Legalize it, give farmers a new money crop, tax it and stop spending $$$$$$$$ on prisons and courts for offenders and even give back a freedom. That should appeal to both the right and the left.

[Jaggy]

: agree:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

As long as it is against the law, there will be criminals getting rich selling it. Legalize it, give farmers a new money crop, tax it and stop spending $$$$$$$$ on prisons and courts for offenders and even give back a freedom. That should appeal to both the right and the left.

[rp001]

Make it legal and overdose on peanut butter and jelly...Unfortunately this state is so backward it won't happen in our lifetime. I feel in the next generation this issue will be looked at as similar to prohibition and feeding the criminals. As long as the Vietnam era
politicians are in charge we will be moving backwards, desperately trying to hold on to old outdated values.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Ditto.

You can't believe all studies. Remember the study that shows that seatbelts in golf carts is bad? The authorities told us this lie for 20 years in TV. Tell that to the families of the 10 dead fellow TV'ers who were ejected and killed. Can't believe everything you read. Real life experience is a better indicator IMHO.

Russ, you have always seemed like a reasonable person who understood the value of data. Properly conducted, peer reviewed, published studies preferably conducted in a double blind placebo controlled environment are critical for advancing medicine. Real life experience is the sales trick of hucksters and frauds. Testimonials for how much weight Susie lost, or that Ken was cured of his cancer by apricot pits... that's the opposite of science. It is harder for people to understand p-values than the appeal of "I have seen this TEN times" and all my patients got better with snake oil treatments. I support legalization, and not just for medical use but there is data of potential long term harm in very long term studies as cited above. Cannabis use before age 15 and subsequent ex... [Br J Psychiatry. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI There also are studies not finding long term harm. Here is a study attempting to provide an alternative explanation to the New Zealand data Correlations between cannabis use and IQ change in the Dunedin cohort are consistent with confounding from socioeconomic status This is not a problem with science, it is how science works. Once there is a preponderance then one can clearly state that the evidence supports an opinion. Three kinds of lies.. Bald face lies, little white lies, and personal experience.

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Let me understand your position. If a medication or a recreational drug has side effects it should not be legal. I say ALL medications have side effects and some come with warning labels that you may die from use. One comes with the warning that you may go blind with a 4+ hour erection, yet it is legal. Your argument would eliminate at least 90% of medications and 100% of alcohol and tobacco products.

Stop being a pawn and believing the so called legal drug dealers. Legalize it now.

You can go blind with a 4+ hour erection?????...Geezzz, I never knew that.
I think if I had a 4 hour erection, I'd need a club to beat off the women,

I was told growing up that masturbation would make you blind,,

I was lied to.

[Patty55]

I'd be willing to drop 8 IQ points if I could get some good pot on a regular basis.

[graciegirl]

Boy Howdy.

I heard someone say once, can I just do it until I need glasses?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

Russ, you have always seemed like a reasonable person who understood the value of data. Properly conducted, peer reviewed, published studies preferably conducted in a double blind placebo controlled environment are critical for advancing medicine. Real life experience is the sales trick of hucksters and frauds. Testimonials for how much weight Susie lost, or that Ken was cured of his cancer by apricot pits... that's the opposite of science. It is harder for people to understand p-values than the appeal of "I have seen this TEN times" and all my patients got better with snake oil treatments. I support legalization, and not just for medical use but there is data of potential long term harm in very long term studies as cited above. Cannabis use before age 15 and subsequent ex... [Br J Psychiatry. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI There also are studies not finding long term harm. Here is a study attempting to provide an alternative explanation to the New Zealand data Correlations between cannabis use and IQ change in the Dunedin cohort are consistent with confounding from socioeconomic status This is not a problem with science, it is how science works. Once there is a preponderance then one can clearly state that the evidence supports an opinion. Three kinds of lies.. Bald face lies, little white lies, and personal experience.

I am always swayed by a scientific argument. We also can say that Sanjay Gupta is not primarily a practicing physician but a TV personality and his "special" made him mega bucks.

Thank you Blueash. I love this forum.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Boy Howdy.

I heard someone say once, can I just do it until I need glasses?

Gracie, where do you come up with these things!!

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Let me understand your position. If a medication or a recreational drug has side effects it should not be legal. I say ALL medications have side effects and some come with warning labels that you may die from use. One comes with the warning that you may go blind with a 4+ hour erection, yet it is legal. Your argument would eliminate at least 90% of medications and 100% of alcohol and tobacco products.

Stop being a pawn and believing the so called legal drug dealers. Legalize it now.

Stop CALLING me "a pawn"!!


Do some homework!! This is no simple matter. I and many people who have lived with people destroying their minds with chronic pot abuse for the last 40 years would not deprive a suffering patient of this drug if it helps them.

However.....The big problem I see in "medical marijuana" legislation and current states' laws is that if it is truly for "medical" use, then it would be made a prescription drug subject to all the regulations and quality controls that all other prescription drugs are....Like Viagra which is dangerous if not properly prescribed according to contraindications, problems with interacting with other drugs being taken, etc. (it was first a cardiac drug).

But "medical marijuana" so far has NOT been made a prescription drug in states that have it, because most of its proponents want "medical" dispensing of this stuff as a back door hanging open to recreational use. They just want to get high without all the bother of legalities, doctors, pharmacies, DEA licensed prescribers, etc.

And they also want to get their hands on the enormous money-making potential in this "medical" pot industry.

It's that "Greed" sin the Occupy Wall Street crowd decries in their phoniness:

California Medical Marijuana Bill Fails, Leaving Pot Industry Largely Unregulated

"A bill aimed at bringing some clarity to medical marijuana regulation in California has failed to pass the State Assembly in a vote held late last week.

The legislation, which was authored by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), would have created an agency within the state's Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control tasked with managing all medical marijuana in the state from where it is grown all the way through to the point of sale.

While medical marijuana was legalized by California voters in 1996, there's no statewide agency in charge of regulating the state's multi-billion dollar marijuana industry......"

California Medical Marijuana Bill Fails, Leaving Pot Industry Largely Unregulated

[blueash]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Stop CALLING me "a pawn"!!


Do some homework!! This is no simple matter. I and many people who have lived with people destroying their minds with chronic pot abuse for the last 40 years would not deprive a suffering patient of this drug if it helps them.

However.....The big problem I see in "medical marijuana" legislation and current states' laws is that if it is truly for "medical" use, then it would be made a prescription drug subject to all the regulations and quality controls that all other prescription drugs are....Like Viagra which is dangerous if not properly prescribed according to contraindications, problems with interacting with other drugs being taken, etc. (it was first a cardiac drug).

But "medical marijuana" so far has NOT been made a prescription drug in states that have it, because most of its proponents want "medical" dispensing of this stuff as a back door hanging open to recreational use. They just want to get high without all the bother of legalities, doctors, pharmacies, DEA licensed prescribers, etc.


It's that "Greed" sin the Occupy Wall Street crowd decries in their phoniness:

Every state which has "legalized" medical pot requires a physician to certify that the patient has a qualifying medical condition. The details are readily available if you care to be fully informed at 20 Legal Medical Marijuana States and DC - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org

The use of the term "prescription" in your argument is possibly something you heard from others or from favored media sources. You have been misled. Most states don't require a "prescription" as that term has certain legal meanings and Federal law prohibits the prescribing of Schedule 1 drugs. So they cannot be prescribed. However every state requires the patient to have a qualified medical condition and be under the care of a physician to get medical marijuana. The medical marijuana movement came years before occupy wall street and has nothing to do with legalization. I am sorry to hear that you have had to live with people who have spent the last 40 years destroying their minds with pot. Just because a product can be abused does not mean it can not be responsibly used.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by blueash

Russ, you have always seemed like a reasonable person who understood the value of data. Properly conducted, peer reviewed, published studies preferably conducted in a double blind placebo controlled environment are critical for advancing medicine. Real life experience is the sales trick of hucksters and frauds. Testimonials for how much weight Susie lost, or that Ken was cured of his cancer by apricot pits... that's the opposite of science. It is harder for people to understand p-values than the appeal of "I have seen this TEN times" and all my patients got better with snake oil treatments. I support legalization, and not just for medical use but there is data of potential long term harm in very long term studies as cited above. Cannabis use before age 15 and subsequent ex... [Br J Psychiatry. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI There also are studies not finding long term harm. Here is a study attempting to provide an alternative explanation to the New Zealand data Correlations between cannabis use and IQ change in the Dunedin cohort are consistent with confounding from socioeconomic status This is not a problem with science, it is how science works. Once there is a preponderance then one can clearly state that the evidence supports an opinion. Three kinds of lies.. Bald face lies, little white lies, and personal experience.

My point, that you also make, is you can use studies for both sides. I'm talking about seeing MY patients do well on medical marijuana for THEIR needs. This isn't snake oil - it's real life and I have no stake financially in their outcomes. It's not used a lot yet but I do see the day coming.

[mrsanborn]

I have no doubt that if marijuana is legalized for medical use, the Villages will change it's tag line to "Florida's Happiest Hometown". Heck, you will be able to get a script for urinary incontinence. Imagine going to the Squares. The saving of tables and chairs just won't matter and no matter who is performing, they will sound great. There will probably never be another negative response to an eating establishment and if you fall out of your golf cart, you will be laughing uncontrollably. I am for legalization and I know that the government already knows this.