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Old 09-12-2019, 10:41 PM
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What is Medicare for all with no premiums, no co pays, no Doctor limitations and the only premium for it is a $200 max cost for drugs/year. That does not sound like Medicare that I have. I have co pays, premiums and pay extra to have drug coverage and this after paying for years. Also certain coverages stop after awhile. My health care is not a right.

This campaign should not be calling this Medicare because it has no resemblance to Medicare which is not free by any measure.
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Old 09-13-2019, 04:51 AM
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Should be called socialized medicine. Get in line.
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:19 AM
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Medicare for All stands for Vote for Me and I'll give you everything for FREE. Sometimes that word FREE is all a person needs to hear to support or vote for an individual that's promising Free this and Free that. These people don't have the mindset or technical skills to research the right or wrong of promises being made to secure Votes. So, FREE, is all they will hear. Then those people pass it on to others in the realm of their life and thus followers are produced. They don't even think about who will pay their way or how this type of socialism will take money out of the pockets of hard working people. If you watched the Debate last night you saw people who are using the media to filter particular TRIGGER WORDS, like FREE, or MEDICARE FOR ALL or I was poor like you too, or little children told me this or that. Most of those on the debate last night do not have the intellect, professional or political experience, and I really wish there was one running, to actually be President. They don't have a clue to what the job entails.
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:34 AM
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Most of these people running have no idea. They never paid for their GREAT coverage. Government has pretty well ruined good health care that was affordable. They have no idea.
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When such statements of

"_ _ _ _ _ free for all...."

are made the immediate follow up question should be how much is it going to cost and where will the $$$ come from.

Just imagine the impact on the care providing system in The Villages if on top of the already stressed capacity of providers.....another 25-50% increase (pick a number you like) in participation.

The end result? Less medical service and attention for everybody.

Unfortunately the magic word "free" elicits a strong response from the masses.
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Medicare for All stands for Vote for Me and I'll give you everything for FREE. Sometimes that word FREE is all a person needs to hear to support or vote for an individual that's promising Free this and Free that. These people don't have the mindset or technical skills to research the right or wrong of promises being made to secure Votes. So, FREE, is all they will hear. Then those people pass it on to others in the realm of their life and thus followers are produced. They don't even think about who will pay their way or how this type of socialism will take money out of the pockets of hard working people. If you watched the Debate last night you saw people who are using the media to filter particular TRIGGER WORDS, like FREE, or MEDICARE FOR ALL or I was poor like you too, or little children told me this or that. Most of those on the debate last night do not have the intellect, professional or political experience, and I really wish there was one running, to actually be President. They don't have a clue to what the job entails.
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What is Medicare for all with no premiums, no co pays, no Doctor limitations and the only premium for it is a $200 max cost for drugs/year. That does not sound like Medicare that I have. I have co pays, premiums and pay extra to have drug coverage and this after paying for years. Also certain coverages stop after awhile. My health care is not a right.

This campaign should not be calling this Medicare because it has no resemblance to Medicare which is not free by any measure.
The plan you refer to exists, and is called Medicaid. It's not available for all, but it is available for Americans who can't otherwise afford medical care. It is currently paid for through federal income tax. If you have received a paycheck from someone, you have paid the tax for it. The only thing is that the number of doctors who participate are extremely limited so yes - you can go to any doctor you want - but if the doctor doesn't participate, you pay 100% of their bill.

Socialized medicine isn't free, it is paid for through taxes. But you don't pay taxes PLUS a monthly premium. So in other words, the subscription itself - is free. The care is already paid for.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:19 AM
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The plan you refer to exists, and is called Medicaid. It's not available for all, but it is available for Americans who can't otherwise afford medical care. It is currently paid for through federal income tax. If you have received a paycheck from someone, you have paid the tax for it. The only thing is that the number of doctors who participate are extremely limited so yes - you can go to any doctor you want - but if the doctor doesn't participate, you pay 100% of their bill.

Socialized medicine isn't free, it is paid for through taxes. But you don't pay taxes PLUS a monthly premium. So in other words, the subscription itself - is free. The care is already paid for.
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People should try Google too. The Facts on Medicare for All - FactCheck.org
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The plan you refer to exists, and is called Medicaid. It's not available for all, but it is available for Americans who can't otherwise afford medical care. It is currently paid for through federal income tax. If you have received a paycheck from someone, you have paid the tax for it. The only thing is that the number of doctors who participate are extremely limited so yes - you can go to any doctor you want - but if the doctor doesn't participate, you pay 100% of their bill.

Socialized medicine isn't free, it is paid for through taxes. But you don't pay taxes PLUS a monthly premium. So in other words, the subscription itself - is free. The care is already paid for.
You say that Medicaid is paid for through Federal income tax. But, you failed to mention that the Government spends way more than they collect in taxes, much of it for Medicaid. That is why we have a 22 trillion dollar debt, and so far this fiscal year, we have already spent over a trillion dollars more than we have received in taxes. So, I think it is more accurate to say that about two thirds of Medicaid is paid for with taxes, and the other third is paid for with borrowed money that our country will need to pay back in the future.

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The plan you refer to exists, and is called Medicaid. It's not available for all, but it is available for Americans who can't otherwise afford medical care. It is currently paid for through federal income tax. If you have received a paycheck from someone, you have paid the tax for it. The only thing is that the number of doctors who participate are extremely limited so yes - you can go to any doctor you want - but if the doctor doesn't participate, you pay 100% of their bill.

Socialized medicine isn't free, it is paid for through taxes. But you don't pay taxes PLUS a monthly premium. So in other words, the subscription itself - is free. The care is already paid for.
There was an article that various hospitals and other health care providers are suing MEDICAID for the costs of services provided, either the individual or their estate. Apparently there was a law signed under Clinton(?) possibly Obama(?) that allows this, so IMHO, while Medicaid might appear to be "free" or very low cost while you are living you or your estate may get hit later. The article was very interesting and something I did not realize. I tried to provide a link but it was not linkable.
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Don’t think you will find too many highly sought after doctors that accept Medicaid, even Medicare doesn’t pay enough for their time for your visit. With free healthcare, you will still end up with 2 systems as those able to afford better care will still pay out of pocket for quality care.
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Don’t think you will find too many highly sought after doctors that accept Medicaid, even Medicare doesn’t pay enough for their time for your visit. With free healthcare, you will still end up with 2 systems as those able to afford better care will still pay out of pocket for quality care.
I agree, but there are 70 million people enrolled on Medicaid and 43 million on Medicare. So, there must be a lot of doctors accepting these programs.
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